Non-K-November basho 2020 Discussion (spoiler space)

[Eikokurai 3,433]

5 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

To be fair, if you can see how those words break into kanji, it suddenly becomes super easy to pronounce, as opposed to reading it in a chunk of romaji that looks like it came out of a Lewis Carroll novel.

Indeed and that’s the trick with Japanese and why you should learn the actual words behind the sounds and the phonology of the language. Same with shikona. Once you are familiar with the kanji in shikona, they’re not difficult to read.

[hakutorizakura 590]

And even if you can't read kanji/kana, it's useful to keep in mind that Japanese words are in most cases constructed from syllables that end with a vowel.

So it's shi-ta-te-na-ge, not otherwise. Wa-ka-ta-ka-ka-ge. Ta-ka-ke-i-shō. To-tta-ri. To-ri-na-o-shi. Pa-n-da.

I guess some foreigners went to visit Takeshita-dori in Harajuku for certain reasons 

[Kintamayama 44,354]

On 05/12/2020 at 19:07, Jakusotsu said:

You have a much better chance than Hiro Morita's eternal struggle with Wakatakakage.

Murray slips on Chiyotairyuu.

[Kintamayama 44,354]

22 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

 and Tottari could be one of those Sicilian greetings you'd hear in a Godfather movie.

Totary.

[Yamanashi 3,728]

31 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Totary.

Your Engrish is very good.

[Gurowake 3,923]

22 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Once you are familiar with the kanji in shikona, they’re not difficult to read.

That's definitely true for Wakatakakage.  It's a whole mess of alternating vowels and consonants in Romaji (with 3 "ka"s), but when you know how it breaks out into Kanji, it's a whole lot easier to comprehend because there's more context for those "ka"s.  I find it very hard to believe that someone doing Japanese broadcasting would have trouble with it at all; they'd have to basically not even be trying to learn it by kanji.

[Yamanashi 3,728]

Well, at least I learned that the rikishi haircut is not the same as a D&D wizard.

[Asojima 2,870]

Kintamayama should regenerate his old link giving the proper pronunciation of the shikonas.  The syllables that get emphasized make a big difference in the way it is expressed.  The foreigners who I know are all fully aware that the penultimate syllable is always emphasized.    As I mentioned in an earlier post, it doesn't really matter how you pronounce it because most foreigners do not know anyone who knows anything about sumo.

Edit:  Audio Banzuke - I did not realize that its remnants still exist.

Edited December 8, 2020 by Asojima

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

7 hours ago, Asojima said:

Edit:  Audio Banzuke - I did not realize that its remnants still exist. 

If only I could find a link to his famous rendition of Jingle Bells shikona-style...

[Yokozuna Hattorizakura 151]

Don't know why people have trouble with wakatakakage, I have 0 japanese knowledge besides being able to (poorly) read kana and it rolls right off the tongue for me.

Double vowels like chiyonoo cause me trouble at times though.

 

[Kintamayama 44,354]

On 08/12/2020 at 09:08, Jakusotsu said:

If only I could find a link to his famous rendition of Jingle Bells shikona-style...

Most of the names in the song are gone.. 

[Kintamayama 44,354]

On 08/12/2020 at 01:07, Asojima said:

Kintamayama should regenerate his old link giving the proper pronunciation of the shikonas

I shall update it with the new banzuke when it comes out.. 

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

21 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Most of the names in the song are gone.. 

I'd wager "all".

[Kashunowaka 300]

On 08/12/2020 at 08:08, Jakusotsu said:

If only I could find a link to his famous rendition of Jingle Bells shikona-style...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bhgZG9eNyk0sk8AGEO4-eYty5idJAIh1/view?usp=sharing

[Millwood 41]

29 minutes ago, Kashunowaka said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bhgZG9eNyk0sk8AGEO4-eYty5idJAIh1/view?usp=sharing

Thank you for the memories.  For some reason the image of Dejima blasting across the Dohyo stayed with me for the whole song.

[Yamanashi 3,728]

Great that he was able to get McCartney on bass; I know he's a big fan of Sumo.

[Kintamayama 44,354]

5 hours ago, Kashunowaka said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bhgZG9eNyk0sk8AGEO4-eYty5idJAIh1/view?usp=sharing

Wow, didn't remember this like that. I don't remember where I got the playback.. Cool..

[sahaven111 172]

11 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

I'd wager "all".

Well, the name Kotonowaka isn't gone... ;-)

[Kintamayama 44,354]

3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Wow, didn't remember this like that. I don't remember where I got the playback.. Cool..

Updated version:

[Kintamayama 44,354]

On 09/12/2020 at 12:46, Kintamayama said:

I shall update it with the new banzuke when it comes out.. 

And I have. 

http://www.dichne.com/audiobanzuke.htm

[Asojima 2,870]

On 28/11/2020 at 12:04, Asojima said:

and for the 900th post in this topic, I suggest we speculate on the future for Takakeisho when he goes 1-2-12 for Hatsu. 

Bumpity bump.