kawika 123 Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) The entire Tamanoi stable has withdrawn from the September basho due to COVID-19. It was just on the news in Japan, should be on the news feeds shortly. Edited September 10, 2020 by kawika 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kawika 123 Posted September 10, 2020 Tamanoi Stable has 28 rikishi, including 2 sekitori: Azumaryu and Fujiazuma both in the Juryo division. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaninoyama 1,798 Posted September 10, 2020 It was just covered on NHK news. Several of the rikishi are hospitalized; while the rest have no symptoms and remained quarantined in the heya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,102 Posted September 10, 2020 Ouch. Here's hoping everyone makes a full recovery. We've had enough sadness as is. Banzuke-wise, does that mean everyone is a 0-0-15 automatically? That's pretty harsh especially as both sekitori will drop out of Juryo as a result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinobi Steve 146 Posted September 10, 2020 Horrible news. I hope everyone recovers soon. Hopefully, the degeiko ban and other restrictions ensure that this was confined only within Tamanoi beya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hakutorizakura 634 Posted September 10, 2020 Oh no. How likely is it that the basho will be cancelled altogether? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yokozuna Hattorizakura 153 Posted September 10, 2020 They better not punish them by dropping their ranks. bring back kosho at least this once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,666 Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 19 are infected, including the first case and now Fujiazuma, 12 are in hospital, all light cases, 6 of them with the typical Corona symptoms, 7 without symptoms in quarantine at the heya, expected to get hospital treatment later on. News videos: https://www.news24.jp/articles/2020/09/10/09719254.html https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200910/k10012610461000.html ANN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaBtElpzJUE http://www.fnn.jp/articles/-/83298 Edited September 10, 2020 by Akinomaki 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,666 Posted September 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Akinomaki said: 19 are infected, including the first case and now Fujiazuma, 12 are in hospital, all light cases, 6 of them with the typical Corona symptoms, 7 without symptoms in quarantine at the heya, expected to get hospital treatment later on. Shibatayama: The basho won't be canceled "This is no hindrance at all for holding the basho" What to do in respect of the banzuke with those who have to go kyujo will be decided by the shimpan department at the banzuke conference after the basho: "To got infected is no wrongdoing, we have to take some measures." https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200910/k10012610461000.html 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,929 Posted September 10, 2020 The only fair thing would be treating them kosho. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted September 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, Benihana said: The only fair thing would be treating them kosho. Don't see it that way. What's the difference between being out with corona to any other sickness or injury? Those out with regular Pneumonia are kyujo. Those with covid are kosho? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,102 Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Gernobono said: Don't see it that way. What's the difference between being out with corona to any other sickness or injury? Those out with regular Pneumonia are kyujo. Those with covid are kosho? Well, breaking a bone doesn't have a chance to cause bone breaks for anyone you fight... The difference is that they were made to go kyujo and not allowed to choose. Edited September 10, 2020 by Seiyashi 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,929 Posted September 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Gernobono said: Don't see it that way. What's the difference between being out with corona to any other sickness or injury? Those out with regular Pneumonia are kyujo. Those with covid are kosho? This is a completely different situation. Nothing like that ever happened in the past. There are countless examples of sick rikishi mounting the dohyo. And don't forget the 9 who are not infected, but forced to sit out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted September 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Benihana said: . And don't forget the 9 who are not infected, but forced to sit out. unlucky 0-15 for me won't happen kosho for all, i guess Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,437 Posted September 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Seiyashi said: Ouch. Here's hoping everyone makes a full recovery. We've had enough sadness as is. Banzuke-wise, does that mean everyone is a 0-0-15 automatically? That's pretty harsh especially as both sekitori will drop out of Juryo as a result. 0-0-7 for most of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,102 Posted September 10, 2020 Ah, my bad. Also just noted (in response to Joaoiyama in another thread) that Shiraishi is affected at Ms2W. I hope the banzuke committee shows some leniency, but this situation is pretty much unprecedented. What's the odds they'll bring back a one-time kosho for them? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,666 Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Shinobi Steve said: Horrible news. I hope everyone recovers soon. Hopefully, the degeiko ban and other restrictions ensure that this was confined only within Tamanoi beya. Hopefully yobidashi Shunsuke was not involved in the dohyo making that's going on this week, there the yobidashi of several heya work closely together and can carry home the virus, if one there has it - even though they wear masks. vid Only rikishi tested positive, but Tamanoi has 5 urakata as well, who all have to be kyujo - plus the shisho as shimpan. http://heyaaz.nagioff.com/2020/Heya/Tamanoi.html I wonder how the papers count - they report 32 affiliated with the heya having been tested (shisho included): http://hochi.news/articles/20200910-OHT1T50116.html Without the one already in hospital, that's still 1 missing. Edited September 10, 2020 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Churaumi 743 Posted September 10, 2020 My guess is they'll drop the ranks to the bottom of their division. Not bad for the juryo guys. Maybe the ones in the joi of their division fall to the bottom of the joi. Nobody really loses money or an appreciable number of ranks. It might set some lower rankers back an extra basho, but chances are good it won't matter much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,995 Posted September 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Churaumi said: My guess is they'll drop the ranks to the bottom of their division. Quite unprecedented, but then again, so is COVID-19. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,102 Posted September 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Churaumi said: My guess is they'll drop the ranks to the bottom of their division. Not bad for the juryo guys. Maybe the ones in the joi of their division fall to the bottom of the joi. Nobody really loses money or an appreciable number of ranks. It might set some lower rankers back an extra basho, but chances are good it won't matter much. Even though Fujiazuma is already one half-rank shy of being Juryo-jiri? I just hope that COVID itself doesn't play hell with their future careers. Going by some of the medical reports, what it does to your body even after the fact is nasty; I can't imagine having to cope with both the usual stressors of a rikishi's lifestyle as well as what are effectively internal injuries from COVID. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakuryuho 335 Posted September 10, 2020 Devastating news, praying for all of them to hopefully recover and recover 100%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted September 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Benihana said: This is a completely different situation. Nothing like that ever happened in the past. There are countless examples of sick rikishi mounting the dohyo. And don't forget the 9 who are not infected, but forced to sit out. Let's think for a moment. What did the NSK do in 1918 when the Spanish Flu swept over the world? What about in 1957 when the Asian Flu hit? And in 1968, when the Hong Kong Flu took off? Certainly the sumo world was not entirely free of sick or infected members during those times. Too long ago. Ok, let's go way back to 2009... https://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/swine-flu-hits-japans-sumo-wrestlers/news-story/5ee360bb776108e2c3f179f17b7d3ddb 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,929 Posted September 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Otokonoyama said: Let's think for a moment. What did the NSK do in 1918 when the Spanish Flu swept over the world? What about in 1957 when the Asian Flu hit? And in 1968, when the Hong Kong Flu took off? Certainly the sumo world was not entirely free of sick or infected members during those times. Too long ago. Ok, let's go way back to 2009... https://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/swine-flu-hits-japans-sumo-wrestlers/news-story/5ee360bb776108e2c3f179f17b7d3ddb And again, this is comparing apples with pears. And again, this is extremely unfair to the not infected. Please google Sippenhaft, maybe you'll understand why i strongly oppose demotion for the effected rikishi, and why i really have to struggle to hold back my anger at the moment. Empathy seems to be missing in some people's vocabulary. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted September 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Benihana said: Empathy seems to be missing in some people's vocabulary. yeah, right empathy is the keyword when making a banzuke 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ethixz 1 Posted September 10, 2020 47 minutes ago, Otokonoyama said: Let's think for a moment. What did the NSK do in 1918 when the Spanish Flu swept over the world? What about in 1957 when the Asian Flu hit? And in 1968, when the Hong Kong Flu took off? Certainly the sumo world was not entirely free of sick or infected members during those times. Too long ago. Ok, let's go way back to 2009... https://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/swine-flu-hits-japans-sumo-wrestlers/news-story/5ee360bb776108e2c3f179f17b7d3ddb just because they got it wrong those times, doesn't mean they cant get it right this time... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
