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Interesting  Chris Sumo Youtube on "How to beat Enho". Part of a series of Youtube's he is doing on individual Rikishi in the Aki Basho. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S96EYbOifso

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On 22/09/2020 at 09:46, nelimw said:

Question, if Shodai wins out (crazy thought I know) would he get promoted to Ozeki with 32 wins and a yusho? 

I guess my question on day 10 wasn't as crazy of a thought as I initially thought! 

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On 05/10/2020 at 08:06, jsolo said:

Interesting  Chris Sumo Youtube on "How to beat Enho". Part of a series of Youtube's he is doing on individual Rikishi in the Aki Basho. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S96EYbOifso

Not the most revealing video but one that every rikishi facing Enho should review before the match.  It will be fun to watch what Enho does in the next basho.  I can't wait.  

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6 hours ago, robnplunder said:

Not the most revealing video but one that every rikishi facing Enho should review before the match.  It will be fun to watch what Enho does in the next basho.  I can't wait.  

Well I hope other rikishi don't see it so that Enho can continuing winning, but I think the other rikishi have started to turn their attention on the little pixie. :-P

Although he hasn't had the most successful career, one can rarely say Enho doesn't put on a good show. He is always fun to watch and I think he has a very tenacious, genuine (though slightly gloomy yet strangely cheery) personality and I hope he returns to the form he had in Jan and finds the success and validation he's been missing most of this year. 

As a Chinese speaker and hence familiar with kanji, I realised that the first character in Enho's real name (Yuya) means friend. How nice. It is a very fitting name for his personality (or at least his public persona). 

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2 hours ago, pricklypomegranate said:

 

As a Chinese speaker and hence familiar with kanji, I realised that the first character in Enho's real name (Yuya) means friend. How nice. It is a very fitting name for his personality (or at least his public persona). 

Shohozan is also a Yuya. But I guess his has very different meaning :-D

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5 hours ago, pricklypomegranate said:

Although he hasn't had the most successful career, one can rarely say Enho doesn't put on a good show. He is always fun to watch and I think he has a very tenacious, genuine (though slightly gloomy yet strangely cheery) personality and I hope he returns to the form he had in Jan and finds the success and validation he's been missing most of this year. 

To me, Enho already overachieved what his little body can do.    I will call that very successful career.  Although I predicted that he will never become a Sanyuku, I secretly hope he will make it and prove me wrong.   I will still be happy if he hangs around Makuuchi with an occasional visit to Juryo.  Go, Enho, our little friend. 

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I think one of the things many people may be expecting of Enho is for him to be a second Mainoumi. Considering how Mainoumi fought with major giant figures of sumo history during his days, I wonder if there are people placing that kind of pressure on Enho. He’s entertaining to say the list, and the last few basho I’ve seen where he doesn’t employ what makes him successful. He is fun to watch but I do hope he’ll continue to be innovative so that he can make a comeback to the joi 

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Top 10 highlights for Aki 2020:

- NTNO Shodai gets his first yusho! He is now the 11th active rikishi with a yusho to his name
- Takakeisho is the sole jun-yusho for Aki 2020. This is his 4th jun-yusho and puts him in a 4-way tie for 3rd place with Terunofuji, Tochinoshin and Takayasu. Anybody want to take a wild, wild guess as to what these four have in common???
- Chiyonokuni wins his 3rd Juryo division yusho and enters into the top ten list for that division. He is in a 13-way tie for 8th place. Active rikishi in this category are Tochinoshin, Toyohibiki and Myogiryu
- Of the active rikishi either on the all time wins list or trying to challenge for the all time wins list, only Kotoshogiku made any progress (the other two are Hakuho and Kakuryu). The Geek added two more career wins for a total of 827, but still 33 wins away from 10th place Terao who has 860. There was a public statement made shortly after the basho that he intends on competing in November, but more than likely time is catching up to the Kyushu Bulldozer
- Kotoshogiku on the other hand did extend his record in the Makuuchi all time wins list to 718. The next person he would try to catch would be Taiho at 746, though we are expecting him to be in Juryo next basho and therefore will not be making any progress for at least another 3 months
- GOAT protoge Hokuseiho won his second consecutive title in the lower divisions and is now on a 14 win streak from debut. He needs to start November 5-0 to get into the top 10 list
- Kotoshogiku has now competed in 1490 career matches. 10th place is Akinoshima at 1575 matches. To catch Akinoshima the Geek would need to compete in the top 2 divisions without any kyujo up to Day 10 of Aki 2021
- Hanakaze has now completed 1415 career matches. To catch 10th place Akinoshima, Hanakaze would need to compete without any kyujo up to his 6th match in July/Nagoya 2024
- Kotoshogiku has now completed 1332 bouts in Makuuchi. Above him is 5th place Terao with 1378 bouts
- Tamawashi has now completed 1286 consecutive career matches. Above him is 8th place Hidanohana, who he can pass on day 12 of November 2020 provided he does not go kyujo
- Hakuho was ranked on the banzuke in Makuuchi for his 97th basho. This ties him with Takamiyama and Aminishiki. Next basho he will move into sole 3rd place
- Kotoshogiku was ranked on the banzuke in Makuuchi for his 92nd basho, which puts him in sole 7th place
- Kakuryu was ranked on the banzuke in Makuuchi for his 82nd basho. He has to survive until July/Nagoya of 2021 in order to tie 10th place Wakanosato at 87 basho
- Hakuho extends the yokozuna basho record to 78
- Kakuryu was ranked as yokozuna for his 38th basho, which raises the 10th place bar one basho higher now
- Kotoshogiku competed in his 21st post ozeki basho. This puts him in 5th place. Above him is 3rd Konishiki and Takanonami at 24 basho
- Terunofuji competed in his 17th post ozeki basho. This ties him with Daiju for 8th place
- Tochinoshin competed in his 5th post ozeki basho. He needs to compete until Haru 2021 in order to tie 10th place Kaiketsu
- Takayasu competed in his 4th post ozeki basho
- Mitakeumi competed in his 20th junior sanyaku basho. Above him is 10th place Tochiozan with 25 basho
- Hakuho has been ranked as a sekitori for his 99th basho. This ties him in 8th place with Mitoizumi. Above him in 7th place is Takamiyama with 104
- Kotoshogiku has been ranked as a sekitori for his 96th basho. Above him is 10th Chiyonofuji and Takekaze at 98 basho. He needs to survive until Hatsu 2021 to get onto the list
- Hanakaze has extended the all time basho record with 206 basho
- Tenichi and Terunosato have competed in their 164th basho to stay in 5th place. Above them is 4th place Dewanosato with 174 basho
- Itakozakura and Gorikikiyama have competed in their 158 basho on the banzuke. This moves them past Oshio into 10th place. Above them are 8th place Kasachikara and Koriyama at 159 basho
- Kitaharima was promoted to Juryo for the 8th time, but could not survive and will be back behind the curtain in November. This ironically gives him the chance to try and tie record holder Kizenryu for a 9th promotion back to the second division

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Can Hakuho go on till he makes it to oldest in makuuchi? Shohozan and now oldest sekitori Kotoshogiku drop to juryo, but it may take a long while till iron man Tamawashi drops. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&columns=1&rowcount=2&showbirthdate=on&form1_year=2020&form1_month=9&form1_m=on&form1_j=on&sort_by=birthdate

I can't think of a query to check if ever a yokozuna was oldest in makuuchi or oldest sekitori

Edit: simply checking Chiyonofuji showed that he was the oldest in makuuchi when he retired http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&columns=1&rowcount=2&showbirthdate=on&form1_year=1991&form1_month=5&form1_m=on&form1_j=on&sort_by=birthdate

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20 hours ago, pricklypomegranate said:

As a Chinese speaker and hence familiar with kanji, I realised that the first character in Enho's real name (Yuya) means friend. How nice. It is a very fitting name for his personality (or at least his public persona). 

Mildly (Iamgoingoff-topic...), but I suspect as far as Japanese given names go, there is a certain degree of disassociation between their kanji meaning values and their sound values. The best example that I can think of offhand would be Haruna, which can be written with the kanji that would mean "spring vegetable" to Chinese speakers - or for that matter, any female name ending with -na would also mean "vegetable". And there's also the uniquely Japanese phenomenon of makurakotoba, "pillow words" - adjectives replacing the spoken and/or written values of their names outright like niwatori, Asuka, and Kasuga. So I wouldn't read too far into the choice of kanji for Enho's name - there probably is a connection, but probably also less significant than we Chinese speakers would outright place on it.

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2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Mildly (Iamgoingoff-topic...), but I suspect as far as Japanese given names go, there is a certain degree of disassociation between their kanji meaning values and their sound values. The best example that I can think of offhand would be Haruna, which can be written with the kanji that would mean "spring vegetable" to Chinese speakers - or for that matter, any female name ending with -na would also mean "vegetable". And there's also the uniquely Japanese phenomenon of makurakotoba, "pillow words" - adjectives replacing the spoken and/or written values of their names outright like niwatori, Asuka, and Kasuga. So I wouldn't read too far into the choice of kanji for Enho's name - there probably is a connection, but probably also less significant than we Chinese speakers would outright place on it.

Well I don't know anything about the Japanese language, and wouldn't 100% assert that it is, it's just a pleasant coincidence that I've found. If someone gets to meet him, please ask him on my behalf.  

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On 08/10/2020 at 10:18, WAKATAKE said:

Top 10 highlights for Aki 2020:

- Takakeisho is the sole jun-yusho for Aki 2020. This is his 4th jun-yusho and puts him in a 4-way tie for 3rd place with Terunofuji, Tochinoshin and Takayasu. Anybody want to take a wild, wild guess as to what these four have in common???

 They were an ex-ozeki at some point (well, some are still)? Their shikona start with T? They had a pet bunny? They like Calbee chips?? (Drippingsweat...)

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On 08/10/2020 at 08:18, WAKATAKE said:

- Takakeisho is the sole jun-yusho for Aki 2020. This is his 4th jun-yusho and puts him in a 4-way tie for 3rd place with Terunofuji, Tochinoshin and Takayasu. Anybody want to take a wild, wild guess as to what these four have in common???

They all owned Cairn Terriers and had golf handicaps of 10? All four appeared as voce actors in the Japanese radio adaptation of "The Inimitable Jeeves"? They are all devoted fans of West Bromwich Albion? All of them are allergic to cress? They all have named Husker Du as their second favourite band?

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On 08/10/2020 at 03:18, WAKATAKE said:

Takakeisho is the sole jun-yusho for Aki 2020. This is his 4th jun-yusho and puts him in a 4-way tie for 3rd place with Terunofuji, Tochinoshin and Takayasu. Anybody want to take a wild, wild guess as to what these four have in common???

All have shikona starting with T, all weigh more than Enho, all have wrestled against Chiyootori, and all have at least one foreign parent except for Takakeisho.

@WAKATAKE, you magnificent bastard, I read your tweets!

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This comes a little late, but I had a Czech friend over and the tradition of presenting Czech crystal as a wedding gift came up.  That made me think of the Czech crystal trophy in oozumo.  

The thing is that I watched and rewatched the trophy ceremony carefully, and oddly enough, no Czech crystal trophy was presented in September 2020...  I wonder why that was.  The pandemic did not seem to prevent the Hungarians, Mongolians, French, Mexicans, and Saudis from presenting their trophies.

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On 13/10/2020 at 18:18, Amamaniac said:

This comes a little late, but I had a Czech friend over and the tradition of presenting Czech crystal as a wedding gift came up.  That made me think of the Czech crystal trophy in oozumo.  

The thing is that I watched and rewatched the trophy ceremony carefully, and oddly enough, no Czech crystal trophy was presented in September 2020...  I wonder why that was.  The pandemic did not seem to prevent the Hungarians, Mongolians, French, Mexicans, and Saudis from presenting their trophies.

Maybe they were mentioned as also presented, like the Emirates last time?

On 02/08/2020 at 12:46, Akinomaki said:

The Oita mushrooms were not among those mentioned, petrol from the Emirates, Miyazaki beef and NHK gold cup, that comes with a sum of money, were announced as also be presented - those with ceremony are listed in the torikumi http://www.sumo.or.jp/pdf/honbasho/kansen/torikumi/2007_15.pdf

The Emirates and the beef were back with ceremony, not so the mushrooms and NHK. http://www.sumo.or.jp/pdf/honbasho/kansen/torikumi/2009_15.pdf

Edit: Czech crystal trophy and beer and NHK cup were named as also awarded at the end of the yusho award ceremony

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The yusho portrait for Shodai is ready

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