Kintamayama

This IS the July 2020 Basho thread!! Spoilers!!

Recommended Posts

4 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Midorifuji, the paternal twin to Enho, gets his KK in juryo division.  

Unlike Enho he's added quite a bit of girth though since his debut. I hardly recognized him. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Houmanumi said:

Am I correct in my understanding that with a play-off this size, it goes to the first wrestler to win two consecutive matches?

If so, does this mean potentially that a wrestler could qualify for a play-off, not get to participate, and not win the yusho?

No, everyone participates. 4 man, it's semi + final. 6 man, it's 3 semis and then three-way playoff. The others are too long to explain. :)

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, Houmanumi said:

Am I correct in my understanding that with a play-off this size, it goes to the first wrestler to win two consecutive matches?

If so, does this mean potentially that a wrestler could qualify for a play-off, not get to participate, and not win the yusho?

No, anything more than 3 rikishi, it’s a league. Winner of each bout advances. If there is an uneven number to start out, one gets a bye.

Edited by Kintamayama
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Houmanumi said:

Am I correct in my understanding that with a play-off this size, it goes to the first wrestler to win two consecutive matches?

If so, does this mean potentially that a wrestler could qualify for a play-off, not get to participate, and not win the yusho?

That's what happens if it gets down to exactly 3 people.  I think that only happens if the starting number is exactly 3.  In all other cases they give byes to get to a power of 2.  Maybe.  I can't recall right now and I'm sure someone else will link to what's happened in the past soonish.

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Kashunowaka said:

No, everyone participates. 4 man, it's semi + final. 6 man, it's 3 semis and then three-way playoff. The others are too long to explain. :)

 

1 minute ago, Kintamayama said:

No, anything more than 3 rikishi, it’s a league. Winner of each bout advances. If there is an uneven number to start out, one gets a bye.

 

1 minute ago, Gurowake said:

That's what happens if it gets down to exactly 3 people.  I think that only happens if the starting number is exactly 3.  In all other cases they give byes to get to a power of 2.  Maybe.  I can't recall right now and I'm sure someone else will link to what's happened in the past soonish.

Cheers all, I thought there would have to be a more sensible way.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
27 minutes ago, Houmanumi said:

 

 

Cheers all, I thought there would have to be a more sensible way.

If I remember correctly:

  • 3: tomoe-sen, win 2 in a row
  • 4: elimination format (semifinal/final)
  • 5: 2 elimination matches (one bye), then as 3-man playoff
  • 6: 3 elimination matches, then as 3-man playoff
  • 7: 3 elimination matches, then as 4-man playoff
  • 8: 4 elimination matches, then as 4-man playoff
  • 9: 4 elimination matches (one bye), then as 5-man playoff.
  • 10: ?????? (5 elimination matches (one bye), then as 5-man playoff?)
  • 11: 5 elimination matches (one bye), then as 6-man playoff
  • 12: 6 elimination matches, then as 6-man playoff

There's a certain elegance and pattern to these, once put out like that.

 

Edited by Seiyashi
Found the 7-man playoff and the 11-man

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

And Tobizaru henkas his way into maku'uchi. Monkey in flight!

Edited by Tigerboy1966
spelling

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

If I remember correctly:

  • 3: tomoe-sen, win 2 in a row
  • 4: elimination format (semifinal/final)
  • 5: one wrestler has a bye, 2 elimination matches, remaining 3 in tomoe-sen
  • 6: 3 elimination matches, then tomoe-sen
  • 7: ??????? (1 bye, 3 elimination matches, then league?)
  • 8: elimination (quarters/semi/final)

I think 7 would be like 8, but with a bye for one rikishi. Perhaps that's what you wrote. :-)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Will they go through all the ring entering ceremonies or bring on Ichinojo and Shohozan straight away?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Tigerboy1966 said:

Will they go through all the ring entering ceremonies or bring on Ichinojo and Shohozan straight away?

I believe several years ago there was a juryo rikishi involved in a playoff but had to wrestle in makuuchi. At the conclusion of the juryo matches, they did the makuuchi dohyo iri, then the match, then the playoffs.

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Will they go through all the ring entering ceremonies or bring on Ichinojo and Shohozan straight away?

Looks like they're going ahead with the dohyo-iri first, which you'd expect since Shohozan couldn't wrestle before taking part in the ceremony.

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some of the info is a bit outdated. 9-member playoffs were held in 1970 (makushita/sandanme) as 4 elimination matches (to reduce the field to 5), then as 5.

 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, Kashunowaka said:

I can't help feeling that the schedule is a little unfair to Ichinojo. He gets much less rest than the others, if he wins against Shohozan.

There's a sandanme playoff, so he'll have a breather.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

They are going to have to crack on to get this finished by 6!

Not really, as long as they get Makuuchi started by 4 pm. A lot of time left.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One would think a better way for seven would be to split into a 3-way and a 4-way KO, but alternate matches between the two groups until one emerges from each.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Ichimawashi said:

One would think a better way for seven would be to split into a 3-way and a 4-way KO, but alternate matches between the two groups until one emerges from each.

Ahah, found the 7-man playoff. Elimination style, 1 man gets a first-round bye.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

Meisei is in.

Which I know makes a certain @Gaijingai happy because he just won yusho in a sumo game!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
23 minutes ago, Kashunowaka said:

@Seiyashi: as you can see in the thread, the record is 12-way playoff (!)

A vast pity that the db doesn't preserve the full record of the 12-way playoff or the 10-way. The 12-way has only 2 bouts preserved, whereas the 10-way only preserves one rikishi's bouts.

11: 5 elimination matches, then as 6-man playoff.

EDIT: edited both my earlier post and this one with the pattern. It's actually fairly elegant if some of the formats are restated:

  • 3: tomoe-sen, win 2 in a row
  • 4: elimination format (semifinal/final)
  • 5: 2 elimination matches (one bye), then as 3-man playoff
  • 6: 3 elimination matches, then as 3-man playoff
  • 7: 3 elimination matches, then as 4-man playoff
  • 8: 4 elimination matches, then as 4-man playoff
  • 9: 4 elimination matches (one bye), then as 5-man playoff.
  • 10: ?????? (5 elimination matches (one bye), then as 5-man playoff?)
  • 11: 5 elimination matches (one bye), then as 6-man playoff
  • 12: 6 elimination matches, then as 6-man playoff

So in theory you could derive 13 and higher playoffs similarly:

  • 13: 6 elimination matches, then as 7-man playoff
  • 14: 7 elimination matches, then as 7-man playoff

Recursive formula (cos I'm a massive math nerd) for an x-man playoff above 4-man would be:

  • n where n is odd:  (n-1)/2 elimination matches, then as (n+1)/2 playoff
  • n where n is even: n/2 elimination matches, then as n/2 playoff
Edited by Seiyashi
  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And Ichinojo just lost, so it's a 6-man playoff. Pity.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

There's a sandanme playoff, so he'll have a breather.

No need for that now...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Seiyashi said:

And Ichinojo just lost, so it's a 6-man playoff. Pity.

Yes, it's "just" a 6-man playoff. :-D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now