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who cares About  the xfl?

even the advertisements during the super bowl are more exiting

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NHL season suspended.

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players championship in golf stopped after first round and all tournaments until masters cancelled

the masters in within trump's flight ban on europe.....guess will also be cancelled

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It is all about Olympics being held this year, nothing more nothing less.  When you have such stringent testing standards, no one gets tested and miraculously Japan is having so low numbers even though the Japanese government, according to all experts, did an awful job of repatriating people from Wuhan, did not stop flights from affected areas, did not limit tourism or just did decide to release on mass transit people from the cruise ship without previously following international standard quarantine protocol. 

If anyone ever thought that Japan in 2000s is a modern,  technology-driven, forward-looking nation, look no further than current handling of the situation. 

Do not get surprised after the tournament someone from JSA tests positive. The overall reaction would be - who would have known and how we could have prevented it. 

By the way, Kinta, the word you search for is not suspicious, but obtuse. Israel is blocked at the moment for international visitors, probably because all is fine and dandy and China has yet to restart major parts of economy, so yes - many businesses relying on their supply from Chinese counterparts are suffering and probably would go under. But no need to worry, ha? 

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Believe it or not I haven't really been following this much, so just how terrified should I be?

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7 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Believe it or not I haven't really been following this much, so just how terrified should I be?

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17 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Believe it or not I haven't really been following this much, so just how terrified should I be?

It depends on where you are.   If you are in Italy or Iran, be very terrified.   If you are in EU, be terrified.  If you are elsewhere, be concerned.   If you are in China, you are safe now.   If you want to be 100% safe, buy a plane ticket to North Korea where the number of infected is, always was 0.   :-)

 

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News just in - all professional football (soccer) matches in England have been suspended until at least 3rd April. Liverpool fans have waited 30 years for another championship title, now they have to wait just a bit longer.

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5 hours ago, I am the Yokozuna said:

By the way, Kinta, the word you search for is not suspicious, but obtuse. Israel is blocked at the moment for international visitors, probably because all is fine and dandy and China has yet to restart major parts of economy, so yes - many businesses relying on their supply from Chinese counterparts are suffering and probably would go under. But no need to worry, ha? 

Not blocked, 14 day quarantine. China is on the way to restart, say some Chinese specialists. The fact that this is an economic disaster goes without saying. An actual  apocalypse? I doubt it. It's a pan(dem)ic (©) . The fact that in Italy and in Iran things got out of hand health-wise only says that the authorities did not take this seriously at first or did not understand (like me, probably) that it can spread so quickly. Other than that, in most countries it seems under control, health wise, as governments understand more now and have learned to cope. I'll probably get it in the end then we'll talk again.

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1 minute ago, mikawa said:

News just in - all professional football (soccer) matches in England have been suspended until at least 3rd April. Liverpool fans have waited 30 years for another championship title, now they have to wait just a bit longer.

Unless the season will not be renewed..

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On 12/03/2020 at 00:42, Kuroyama said:

The health care system in Italy is now in a state of collapse, and they're having to triage patients, frankly leaving many to die in favor of saving those who can be saved. This is also greatly increasing the mortality rate.

This is a fake news.

At the moment no hospital chooses who to save and who to let die. And I don't think it will happen. It is not in our culture. Unless the situation goes towards a real catastrophe.

I suggest, be very selective about who gives you the information and their sources. It is not criticism agaist you but, if we believe in everything media say or we read elsewere, we could end up with a greater damage than the one caused by covid itself....

In Italy the situation is serious but not dramatic. At present.
The government has banned all unnecessary activities, leaving those indispensable.
The situation is evolving hour by hour.

We'll see.

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1 hour ago, mikawa said:

News just in - all professional football (soccer) matches in England have been suspended until at least 3rd April. Liverpool fans have waited 30 years for another championship title, now they have to wait just a bit longer.

Also, UEFA suspends its competitions.

(UCL, UEL, UYL. No info about Euro 2020)

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I use this map: https://covid19info.live/

Graphs also broken down by country showing rate of outbreak, comparison with SARS, etc. 
The Netherlands has yet to show a decrease in the infection rate. It hasn't exploded exponentially, but there have been over a hundred new cases each day. Seven cases in The Hague so far. As of today, the central library (my favourite hotspot) is closed.

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5 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Not blocked, 14 day quarantine. China is on the way to restart, say some Chinese specialists. The fact that this is an economic disaster goes without saying. An actual  apocalypse? I doubt it. It's a pan(dem)ic (©) . The fact that in Italy and in Iran things got out of hand health-wise only says that the authorities did not take this seriously at first or did not understand (like me, probably) that it can spread so quickly. Other than that, in most countries it seems under control, health wise, as governments understand more now and have learned to cope. I'll probably get it in the end then we'll talk again.

Effectively blocked.  Hardly anyone travels to a country knowing he/she will get quarantined for two weeks.   Israel has done the right thing at the right time.  Other countries should do similar but hardly any country did.  

Only Italy, Iran?   There was Wuhan/Hubei   And there will be plenty of other countries that will follow their example.  It appears Spain is the next.  Many other countries (especially countries without resources) will follow like a domino.   

The bigger, far bigger, tragedy is the economic hardship it will bring to untold millions of people.   People have already lost their businesses and jobs.  Companies have gone bankrupt.   To them, it will be like pressing a "reset" button on their life.     

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3 hours ago, orandashoho said:

I use this map: https://covid19info.live/

Graphs also broken down by country showing rate of outbreak, comparison with SARS, etc. 
The Netherlands has yet to show a decrease in the infection rate. It hasn't exploded exponentially, but there have been over a hundred new cases each day. Seven cases in The Hague so far. As of today, the central library (my favourite hotspot) is closed.

"Flattening the curve" is the term applied to countries fighting off the exponential growth.  Japan is a good example of flattening the curve.  If Netherland can avoid the exponential growth path, their medical system should able to weather the storm with a reasonable death rate (at around 3%, mostly the elderly dying).   

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11 hours ago, Fede said:

This is a fake news.

 

It’s absolutely not fake news. It’s not about our culture, it’s about there being too many sick people and not enough manpower to cure them all.

My brother who works at a hospital has said they’ve had to open an unfinished part of the hospital just so they could have enough space for all the patients. The situation isn’t good.

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11 hours ago, Fede said:

This is a fake news.

At the moment no hospital chooses who to save and who to let die. And I don't think it will happen. It is not in our culture. Unless the situation goes towards a real catastrophe. 

I suggest, be very selective about who gives you the information and their sources. It is not criticism agaist you but, if we believe in everything media say or we read elsewere, we could end up with a greater damage than the one caused by covid itself....

In Italy the situation is serious but not dramatic. At present.
The government has banned all unnecessary activities, leaving those indispensable.
The situation is evolving hour by hour.

We'll see.

http://www.siaarti.it/SiteAssets/News/COVID19 - documenti SIAARTI/SIAARTI - Covid19 - Raccomandazioni di etica clinica.pdf

I do note that these are just recommendations and I can't find any confirmation that implementation has yet been necessary. (Clear confirmation, anyway. A few quotes in this article seem to imply that it's being done, but they might be hypotheticals that didn't come across properly in translation.) Let's hope it won't be. It still serves as a cautionary tale for the US, which has fewer hospital beds and doctors per capita than Italy, and where many communities are underserved with both.

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11 hours ago, mikawa said:

News just in - all professional football (soccer) matches in England have been suspended until at least 3rd April. Liverpool fans have waited 30 years for another championship title, now they have to wait just a bit longer.

I’m hoping they call off the season and declare “no result”. No relegations, no winner. The season is a write off and starts again next year from zero points. It’s the best containment strategy for preventing the spread of smugness among Liverpool fans. The nation will never recover from a Liverpool league win.

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19 minutes ago, ALAKTORN said:

It’s absolutely not fake news. It’s not about our culture, it’s about there being too many sick people and not enough manpower to cure them all.

My brother who works at a hospital has said they’ve had to open an unfinished part of the hospital just so they could have enough space for all the patients. The situation isn’t good.

If they are not prioritizing at this point, they are not doing their best job.  I've just heard from another source that this is happening in Italy.  BTW, this happened in Wuhan/Hubei, too.   Italy is going through bad times but Wuhan had it far worse.   At least, Italians are not dropping dead on the streets or dying at home.   Many Wuhan people did. 

 

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18 hours ago, Gernobono said:

players championship in golf stopped after first round and all tournaments until masters cancelled

the masters in within trump's flight ban on europe.....guess will also be cancelled

Not sure if you're joking or not.  The Masters is held in Georgia, USA.  Not Europe.  :)

That said, it has been postponed with expectation to be held later this year.

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8 minutes ago, Yangnomazuma said:

Not sure if you're joking or not.  The Masters is held in Georgia, USA.  Not Europe.  :)

That said, it has been postponed with expectation to be held later this year.

I think he means that the European players would have difficulty making it over to the US. Although at the moment my much less well-connected colleagues are finding creative ways to reach the US.

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A couple of negative trends:

Osaka's accumulated "infected" keeps going up.   It is now at 102.   Japan had the worst day of 61 newly infected found yesterday.   They averaged over 50+ a day in the last 4 days.   At the start of the basho, the daily average was about 20 if I recall.    Hopefully, (self-centered me talking here), they finish the basho.   With all the sports events being canceled, I have nothing to watch if not the basho.  :-(

 

Italy is now what Wuhan was before reaching its peak.  Over 3000 (!) new infected found in the last 24 hours.   Hospitals beds completely filled, people spilling over to temporarily built beds.  Soon, there will be reports of people dying at home if not reported already.   Hang in there, Italy.  

Huge people events are still being held in EU.  A lot of people don't wear masks.  I don't think they get it yet.   We will see more EU countries running out of hospital beds soon.  

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17 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Italy is now what Wuhan was before reaching its peak.  Over 3000 (!) new infected found in the last 24 hours.   Hospitals beds completely filled, people spilling over to temporarily built beds.  Soon, there will be reports of people dying at home if not reported already.   Hang on there, Italy.  

Huge people events are still being held in EU.  A lot of people don't wear masks.  I don't think they get it yet.   We will see more EU countries running out of hospital beds soon.  

Situation here is bad. Hopefully this weekend will be the peak, with the measures implemented on Monday 9th and reinforced on Wednesday 11th beginning to show their effect. Otherwise I guess we're screwed.

And yes, France is only few days behind Italy in terms of numbers, and yet they are planning to held elections nationwide this Sunday. I don't get it...

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