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If they're smart, they'll isolate for a few more weeks, even if they are out of the hospital. I've heard this thing can be carried and spread for 20+ days after recovery.

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"Nothing is decided yet, so I can't say anything. We don't know yet if the state of emergency will be extended, so we'd like to think this over carefully. If it does get extended, we don't know in what way , but what we decide will have influence locally and internationally , so we have to be sure we're doing the right thing.. " said Shibatayama, the Angel Murky of sumo.

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3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

"Nothing is decided yet, so I can't say anything. We don't know yet if the state of emergency will be extended, so we'd like to think this over carefully. If it does get extended, we don't know in what way , but what we decide will have influence locally and internationally , so we have to be sure we're doing the right thing.. " said Shibatayama, the Angel Murky of sumo.

If the state of emergency gets extended it makes their lives a bit easier since they don’t have to make the hard decision of whether to move on or not with the basho.

 

Safest bet is obviously to cancel it, but I wonder how long they can carry on without the income the basho (even with an empty arena) generate. 

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6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

"Nothing is decided yet, so I can't say anything. We don't know yet if the state of emergency will be extended, so we'd like to think this over carefully. If it does get extended, we don't know in what way , but what we decide will have influence locally and internationally , so we have to be sure we're doing the right thing.. " said Shibatayama, the Angel Murky of sumo.

"I can't" ... "We don't" ... aww hell, it's beyond parody.

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With the likely extension of the state of emergency by the government, Shibatayama declared (by phone, as usual) that the NSK will act according to government request. The latest article now calls it extremely difficult to hold the Natsu basho (kiwamete kibishii - in the cases I know, that meant: no way it can be). https://hochi.news/articles/20200430-OHT1T50272.html

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15 minutes ago, Gaijingai said:

Yes, so it’s in Abe’s hands and we should know soon. Maybe Abe will cut a deal with the NSK and we get another no-spectator basho. If they tested everyone, it could work, but a few folks have noted here. that nobody is training like there will be a basho. I’m not that optimistic, but I wonder what the mood is like among the oyakata crew...

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NSK is waiting for the extension of  state of emergency tomorrow before canceling the May basho.   Why NSK held out this far tells me what kind of leadership it has.   Nagoya will likely happen given the NSK's "determination" to keep the show going.

Thread this long and subjective  will have a few bad posts here and there.   I vote for keeping it open with the mods doing what they do best - moderate.  

 

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4 hours ago, robnplunder said:

NSK is waiting for the extension of  state of emergency tomorrow before canceling the May basho.   Why NSK held out this far tells me what kind of leadership it has.   Nagoya will likely happen given the NSK's "determination" to keep the show going.

Thread this long and subjective  will have a few bad posts here and there.   I vote for keeping it open with the mods doing what they do best - moderate.  

 

Why wouldn’t they hold out this long though? Putting on a basho is easy for the NSK. There are no logistical problems to solve like with other sports. It uses a standard template so there’s no major planning required, all staff work within the Kyokai so there are no issues with hiring and firing, broadcast is all sorted, rikishi live nearby and always make their own to the venue, etc. The NSK could start a basho tomorrow if they wanted. Everything is in place and everyone knows what to do. I think it’s fine for them to hold out until the latest possible moment.

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1 hour ago, Eikokurai said:

Why wouldn’t they hold out this long though? Putting on a basho is easy for the NSK. There are no logistical problems to solve like with other sports. It uses a standard template so there’s no major planning required, all staff work within the Kyokai so there are no issues with hiring and firing, broadcast is all sorted, rikishi live nearby and always make their own to the venue, etc. The NSK could start a basho tomorrow if they wanted. Everything is in place and everyone knows what to do. I think it’s fine for them to hold out until the latest possible moment.

This makes sense to me too. Once they cancel they can’t go back. But unlike other sports where hotels and flights need to be booked well in advance the NSK could wait until the last moment to decide and not have much to worry about. Outside of ticket sales that is, and it’s fairly safe to say we’ll see either an empty arena or no basho at all at this point.

Looking at everything and everyone involved there really isn’t any benefit for NSK to make a decision to cancel now even if everything looks like it points to that necessity. 

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33 minutes ago, Katsunorifuji said:

This makes sense to me too. Once they cancel they can’t go back. But unlike other sports where hotels and flights need to be booked well in advance the NSK could wait until the last moment to decide and not have much to worry about. Outside of ticket sales that is, and it’s fairly safe to say we’ll see either an empty arena or no basho at all at this point.

Looking at everything and everyone involved there really isn’t any benefit for NSK to make a decision to cancel now even if everything looks like it points to that necessity. 

Exactly. It’s a choice between no basho or spectator-less basho at this point, which negates needing to plan the only logistical challenges they ever face: tickets, venue security*, food and beverages. NHK takes care of broadcasting.

Basically, it’s a decision between staying at the heya or going to the kokugikan around the corner to do what they do all the time. Not much different really to my company making last minute decisions about work arrangements.
 

*Obviously there’d be some logistical concerns related to social distancing, perhaps for example changing the setup in the shitakubeya and cordons to keep away members of the public, but they have experience from March to draw on there.

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2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Exactly. It’s a choice between no basho or spectator-less basho at this point, which negates needing to plan the only logistical challenges they ever face: tickets, venue security*, food and beverages. NHK takes care of broadcasting.

Basically, it’s a decision between staying at the heya or going to the kokugikan around the corner to do what they do all the time. Not much different really to my company making last minute decisions about work arrangements.
 

*Obviously there’d be some logistical concerns related to social distancing, perhaps for example changing the setup in the shitakubeya and cordons to keep away members of the public, but they have experience from March to draw on there.

One reason I can think of calling the cancellation early would be that it'd give rikishi more time to rest their injury rather than getting ready for a basho.   Another reason would be the popular sentiment.   I think it is heavily against holding the next basho.   These may be minor reasons.   I actually don't have strong feelings against or for this.  I have assumed long ago that there will be no May basho.   

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28 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

One reason I can think of calling the cancellation early would be that it'd give rikishi more time to rest their injury rather than getting ready for a basho.   Another reason would be the popular sentiment.   I think it is heavily against holding the next basho.   These may be minor reasons.   I actually don't have strong feelings against or for this.  I have assumed long ago that there will be no May basho.   

True, but then one wonders whether they’d really get a rest anyway. I suspect they’d be doing keiko regardless, unless they have a doctor’s note that says they can go kyujo.

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Final decision on May 4th (tomorrow, may the fourth be with you, to paraphrase..), says Shibatayama.

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2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Final decision on May 4th (tomorrow, may the fourth be with you, to paraphrase..), says Shibatayama.

May the force be with the Kyokai to find the right decision...*cough*cancel*cough*

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It goes towards canceling the basho, according to talk  by several authorized persons. The state of emergency going to be extended till the 31st is a major reason. A special rotation rjikai will be held by phone (etc.) to finalize the decision on that forcefully forthcoming May the fourth (it already arrived in Japan) http://www.daily.co.jp/society/main/2020/05/03/0013317696.shtml

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State of emergency extended. Pretty much rules out the basho then.

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The May basho if canceled.   I am shocked!   Shocked!   ;-)

Hopefully, we will have the Nagoya basho (in Tokyo?).

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10 minutes ago, Gernobono said:

Looks like Natsu cancelled and Nagoya on without spectators and 2 weeks delay (at least that is what the german google-translation says)

https://mainichi.jp/articles/20200504/k00/00m/050/111000c

Yes, they are aiming for the July basho to be moved from Nagoya to the Kokugikan, starting on 19 July.

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Any chance for mae-zumo happening behind closed doors?

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Now the big question is will Tokyo be ready to host the next basho?  I am going to predict it will happen.  No doom and gloom here.  :-)

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On ‎04‎/‎05‎/‎2020 at 06:47, Gaijingai said:

 

11 hours ago, Gernobono said:

https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/20200504-OYT1T50087/

Two articles previously linked, and a third above, all mention that this is the third time that a basho has been cancelled. The English language article doesn't mention it, so I thought I'd expound for those who are interested.

The first time was the Natsu Basho in 1946, when there were delays in the restoration work to the old Ryogoku Kokugikan due to war damage, and the second was the Haru Basho in 2011, which was cancelled due to the match-fixing scandal.

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