Lower division celebs results

[Kintamayama 44,354]

Aki  2022: 

Kaisei the Brazilian veteran is at Makushita 1E, losing his sekitori status after 12 years. INTAI.

Rouga the Russian is at Makushita 1W, his highest career rank.

Tomokaze is at Makushita 2E. Ex- Maegashira 3 piano player, returned a few basho ago after a serious injury that sidelined him for 6 bashos.

Yoshii, 19 year old ex-Junior high Yokozuna boy wonder, is at Makushita 3E, his highest career rank.

Fujiseiun is at Makushita 5E, his highest career rank.

Ishiura is at Makushita 10E, losing his sekitori status after 7.5 years. KYUJO

Shishi, Ukrainian, is at Makushita 11E.

Akiseyama, ex-Makuuchi, is at Makushita 11W.

Hokutenkai, Mongolian, is at Makushita 12W.

Asanoyama, ex-Ozeki, is at Makushita 15E. A zensho yusho will promote him to Juryo. Back after a six-basho suspension. 

Ishizaki is at Makushita 16W. Entered at Sandanme 100 tsukedashi in May 2021.  

Mukainakano is at Makushita 17E. Highest career rank. 

Dewanoryuu,  Mongolian, is at Makushita 17W. 

Kanzaki, is at Makushita 21E, his highest rank. He started from Sandanme 100 tsukedashi in March 2022. 

Kiryuukou, ex-Tokitsukaze's son number 1, is at Makushita 22W, highest career rank.

Fujitoushi is at Makushita 24E.

Osanai is at Makushita 31E.  He will not push.

Joukouryuu (ex-Komusubi) is at Makushita 33W.

Arauma,  Mongolian, is at Makushita 34E.  First ever foreigner at Isenoumi beya.

Nobehara is at Makushita 36W. 

Miyagi  is at Makushita 37W, highest career rank.

Wakatakamoto is at Makushita 40W. Eldest bother of Wakatakakage and Wakamotoharu.

Nabatame is at Makushita 49W. Half Thai.

Suguro is at Makushita 50W. Sandanme 100 tsukedashi in November 2021, brother of Fujitoushi. Highest career rank. KYUJO

Hatsuyama, is at Makushita 60E, his highest rank. He started March 2022 from Sandanme 100 tsukedashi. 

Maikeru, half  Filipino, is at Sandanme 5E.

Kayou is at Sandanme 7W, his highest rank. Started off at Sandanme 90 tsukedashi in May 2022.

Naya, Taihou's third grandson (second eldest) is at Sandanme 9E. There is another grandson, Yukio, but he's a pro-wrestler.

Daiseizan  is at Sandanme 10W, highest career rank. Inner Mongolian. KYUJO

Kototebakari is Sandanme 13W. Kotoshouhou's younger brother . Highest career rank. 

Itadaki, Canadian father, eleven years in sumo, is at  Sandanme 14W. 

Hanafusa, Ex-Kisenosato's favorite recruit is at Sandanme 16W, highest career rank. 

Mudouhou, Taihou's other grandson (youngest) is  at  Sandanme 22W.

Shinohara is  at Sandanme 29E.

Wakanoshou is at Sandanme 33E, highest career rank.

Tokitora is at Sandanme 48W.

Kotokenryuu, 18 years old Mongolian, is at 49E, highest career rank.

Shunrai, ex-Tokitsukaze's 17 years old son number 2, is at at Sandanme 58E.

Furanshisu from the Philippines is  at Sandanme 66E.

Oushouumi is  at Sandanme 78E.

Hayashiryuu - Ex-Kisenosato's recruit- 16 years old, one of the Hayashi twins - is  at Jonidan 10W, his highest rank.

Rinko - Ex-Kisenosato's recruit- 16 years old, the other Hayashi twin - is at Jonidan 11E, his highest rank.

Kaitoma (Kairou) - Mark Aaron Justin Toma- Brazilian-Filipino, is at Jonidan 25W.

Suyama, small first ever student/graduate from Tokyo University, is at Jonidan 62W, his highest rank.

Satonofuji -  the bow twirler is at Jonidan 78E. 45 years old.

Hokuouzan (Hagiwara), half Turkish, is at Jonokuchi 15W.  Kyujo for the last 5 bashos. KYUJO

Kagamiou (yes, he's still active..) Mongolian ex-Maegashira with injuries, has been out more or less since day 5 of July 2020,  banzuke-gai.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Hoshotakamoto 256]

Was Hiradoumi ever a lower division celeb? He was 5-2 at Ms12 in the first makushita tournament I followed (yes, the Abi comeback / the start of Nattosumo d3 videos). I was vaguely a supporter but never guessed he'd graduate out of Juryo before most of them did.

[Kintamayama 44,354]

13 hours ago, Hoshotakamoto said:

Was Hiradoumi ever a lower division celeb? He was 5-2 at Ms12 in the first makushita tournament I followed (yes, the Abi comeback / the start of Nattosumo d3 videos). I was vaguely a supporter but never guessed he'd graduate out of Juryo before most of them did.

Mediocre guy- mostly 4 and 5 wins when kachikoshi in the lower divisions.. Very mediocre Juryo record-7-8 and 8-7 and 7-8 nd 8-7. Extremely lucky to get promoted with that 10-5 from 8E. Been around for 6 years. I don't think he met the criteria..

[Seiyashi 4,071]

Should Kawazoe be added to this list? Or not much point if he's going to zoom out of it quickly as is expected?

Edited August 29, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Kaitetsu 277]

58 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Should Kawazoe be added to this list? Or not much point if he's going to zoom out of it quickly as is expected?

I think he should... the problem is, he isn't on the banzuke, both Ms15 are Asanoyama and Chiyoarashi, Kawazoe isn't anywhere

[Seiyashi 4,071]

1 hour ago, Kaitetsu said:

I think he should... the problem is, he isn't on the banzuke, both Ms15 are Asanoyama and Chiyoarashi, Kawazoe isn't anywhere

TD rankings are usually after the basho has started. The last Ms15TD, Ōshōma, was added in Kyūshū in the above post but not in the run up, so I assume Kawazoe will likewise be added once action begins.

[Kintamayama 44,354]

4 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Very accurate. 

Edited August 29, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Chartorenji 235]

On 29/08/2022 at 06:51, Kintamayama said:

Mediocre guy- mostly 4 and 5 wins when kachikoshi in the lower divisions.. Very mediocre Juryo record-7-8 and 8-7 and 7-8 nd 8-7. Extremely lucky to get promoted with that 10-5 from 8E. Been around for 6 years. I don't think he met the criteria..

while the skill isn't there, I personally see a lot of heart in the dude. He could either hover around the Koshi mark or go like 2-13 now at Makuuchi.

[Katooshu 3,135]

Mediocre is harsh on Hiradoumi. Although I expect him to struggle this basho, he's got the stuff to settle into makuuchi eventually and making the top division at 22 is pretty impressive. He has loads of fight in him and is pretty good on the belt.

[Tigerboy1966 1,376]

2 hours ago, Katooshu said:

making the top division at 22 is pretty impressive. He has loads of fight in him

He will be the youngest man in Maku'uchi and certainly has some fire in his belly. I became a fan when he lost a makushita/juryo "exchange" match to Daishoho last year. He responded with an anguished yell which I believe translated into something like "Oh f*cking f*ck!". It was a pretty serious breach of etiquette, but you had to sort of admire the intensity.

[maglor 122]

Yeah Hiradoumi's results have largely been mediocre because he started at 15 and so as his skill increased his rank was also increasing. On the flip side someone who starts at 22 can have eye-popping results, but that's just because they start sumo at Sandamne or even Makushita level and so get to beat up on low rankers for their first couple basho.

Hiradoumi most probably isn't going to make ozeki of course, but I expect he'll have a long Makuuchi career and probably make sanyaku a few times.

Edited August 31, 2022 by maglor

[Kintamayama 44,354]

12 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Mediocre is harsh on Hiradoumi. Although I expect him to struggle this basho, he's got the stuff to settle into makuuchi eventually and making the top division at 22 is pretty impressive. He has loads of fight in him and is pretty good on the belt.

I was going by actual factual results, as I can’t see into the future, although I can. I would gladly be proven wrong in his case, but at present, I see a guy who got tremendously lucky at his current stage of ability.

[Katooshu 3,135]

He did luck out with the promotion and he's far from the finished article, but I think he's quite talented and should settle into makuuchi eventually, rather being someone who only ever makes a few appearances or comes up regularly but gets demoted almost immediately each time. Mitoryu is the one who I think is more likely to prove mediocre, at least at top division level.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Katooshu

[Gurowake 3,923]

HIradoumi showed up on my list of prospects in terms of age/rank a little bit, but not all that much.  He made the cut in Hatsu 2020, Nagoya 2019, and Haru 2019.  However, he is continually on the cusp of making it, being for Aki 2022 only one tier below where he'd qualify.  However, he'll age out of that tier for Kyushu, and it'll be hard for him to go from M16 into the joi in one basho.  However, it does mean that he has 3 basho to make it into the joi to qualify for the most relevant part of the list right as he ages out entirely.  If he can manage to make it then, that will definitely be a remarkable beginning to his Makuuchi career and he might just have what it takes for Ozeki somewhere along the line, with him either accelerating his development recently, or having results the last few years that were not quite indicative of his true skill.

I'd put him most likely somewhere between Daieisho and Kagayaki.  Too hard to tell at this point which end of that scale.

Edited September 5, 2022 by Gurowake

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

15 hours ago, Gurowake said:

I'd put him most likely somewhere between Daieisho and Kagayaki.  Too hard to tell at this point which end of that scale.

More like between Kotoeko and Daishomaru for me, but we'll see...

[maglor 122]

Kotoeko as an upper bound is unfair imo. He is only 22, I see no reason why he can't make lower sanyaku at least once or twice in his career.

[Kintamayama 44,354]

1 hour ago, maglor said:

Kotoeko as an upper bound is unfair imo. He is only 22, I see no reason why he can't make lower sanyaku at least once or twice in his career.

I think you mean Kotoshouhou. Kotoekou is 30.    Got it.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Seiyashi 4,071]

26 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

1 hour ago, maglor said:

Kotoeko as an upper bound is unfair imo. He is only 22, I see no reason why he can't make lower sanyaku at least once or twice in his career.

I think you mean Kotoshouhou. Kotoekou is 30.

Think the first "he" in maglor's quote refers to Hiradoumi. It did take me a bit of puzzling out too though.

[Kintamayama 44,354]

11 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Think the first "he" in maglor's quote refers to Hiradoumi. It did take me a bit of puzzling out too though.

Now that you point it out..

[Gurowake 3,923]

9 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

More like between Kotoeko and Daishomaru for me, but we'll see...

Neither of those rikishi were young prospects.  I used two rikishi for comparison who made it to Makuuchi relatively young, one who didn't do anything notable, and another who did.  They are both roughly comparable in terms of age making Makuuchi, but had different paths after that. 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Gurowake

[Kintamayama 44,354]

Day 2 matchup- Makushita 15 Asanoyama against Makushita 15 tsukedashi newcomer Kawazoe. 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Seiyashi 4,071]

2 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Day 1 matchup- Makushita 15 Asanoyama against Makushita 15 tsukedashi newcomer Kawazoe. 

Someone wants to smash some hopes early.

[Akinomaki 39,803]

2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Someone wants to smash some hopes early.

Isegahama shocked the Miyagino side already at the shindeshi kensa and he might have heard that Miyagino hoped for a 6-0 meeting of the two.

[Seiyashi 4,071]

14 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Isegahama shocked the Miyagino side already at the shindeshi kensa and he might have heard that Miyagino hoped for a 6-0 meeting of the two.

I don't think we're really expecting Kawazoe to beat an ōzeki-class rikishi, but that could also backfire in the unlikely event that he does. It could also be flipped and construed the other way to make Asanoyama really earn his repromotion to jūryō by fighting the, on paper, most difficult opponent when everyone is 0-0, and the natural elimination process of toriteki matchmaking will make him fight everyone else who's in form this basho.

Also, not often that the star bout of the day is down in makushita.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Reonito 1,335]

7 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

I don't think we're really expecting Kawazoe to beat an ōzeki-class rikishi, but that could also backfire in the unlikely event that he does. It could also be flipped and construed the other way to make Asanoyama really earn his repromotion to jūryō by fighting the, on paper, most difficult opponent when everyone is 0-0, and the natural elimination process of toriteki matchmaking will make him fight everyone else who's in form this basho.

Also, not often that the star bout of the day is down in makushita.

Isn't this just standard "by the banzuke" torikumi making? It would have taken some very unusual scheduling for them to avoid each other until the final bout while staying undefeated, since they more or less pair undefeated rikishi in banzuke order. There's only been one decider, back in 1995, with both 6-0 rikishi ranked between Ms10 and Ms20, and that was Ms14 vs Ms20.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Reonito