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1 hour ago, YoungSumo said:

I feel like I somehow jinxed Motobayashi...

Every rikishi takes a loss eventually. He’ll make Juryo in May and won’t take long to gain makuuchi status. It’s more of a tragedy to see the other Makushita prospects close to losing records

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mitoryu gets an upper division match from J4w... made me wonder who the lowest ranked juryo rikishi to get put into the top torikumi match was?

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15 hours ago, Kaminariyuki said:

Takakeisho over Mr. Long Arms, and Goeido breaks Shodai's streak, because he's better than he's been looking and his back's now against the wall.

Hats off to you sir! 2 for 2!

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Asanoyama vs Shodai is an interesting match for tomorrow. Anyone think that Shodai will win this one? Asanoyama lost his University coach today :-( so I wonder how that will play into the match.... 

Sumo is filled with so many side stories - it really keeps things interesting. 

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Three surprising (positive) performances for me on day 7:

1) Kaisei always gets forced into a high posture and gets marched out.  Today he kept working and actually touched down second on the throw.

2) Onoshou: Secret Yotsu Warrior!

3) Goiedo: I don't know that I've seen him mix it up like that very often.  Maybe he has a Kadoban mode?

 

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Goeido's current form feels like a bit of a final push for glory. He's still got the drive but his body doesn't listen like it used to. I'll be cheering for him but as with Hakuho and Kakuryu, its very possible 2020 will be the last year of his career.

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Yokozeki? Unless Goueidou gets his 8.. And what if Kakuryuu retires?

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2 hours ago, shimodahito said:

Mitoryu gets an upper division match from J4w... made me wonder who the lowest ranked juryo rikishi to get put into the top torikumi match was?

I'm not the best at sumodb queries, but here is what I found :

Makuuchi bout from J5, 366 occurrences, last time was in Kyushu 2015
Makuuchi bout from J6, 96 occurrences, last time was in Natsu 2011
Makuuchi bout from J7, 36 occurrences, last time was in Natsu 2011
Makuuchi bout from J8, 9 occurrences, last time was in Natsu 2011 also (I think we have a pattern here)

2011.05 9 J8w Fujiazuma 6-3 (9-6) hoshi_kuro.gif View bout okuridashi hoshi_shiro.gif M13w Tokitenku 3-6 (8-7)

Makuuchi bout from J11,  7 occurrences, last time was in 1933
Haven't find any bout from lower (I've done query up to J15).

So here are your answer, I guess J8 is the lowest for the modern era, but overall it went as far as J11.

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11 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

I'm not sure the injury would have been immediately obvious to Tokushoryu from his angle of view. He was literally on top of Kotoyuki. Perhaps the push was unnecessary (I presume there was some other backstory here?) but I don't think he was trying to add insult to injury, so to speak. He also went back over to help as soon as he realised something was wrong, clearly concerned for his aite's welfare.

There's no way he knew at that instant how hurt Kotoyuki was. If I had spent a good part of my career getting clubbed in the head by Kotoyuki's taped up hands I'd be giving him a shove too.

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11 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

I'm not sure the injury would have been immediately obvious to Tokushoryu from his angle of view. He was literally on top of Kotoyuki. Perhaps the push was unnecessary (I presume there was some other backstory here?) but I don't think he was trying to add insult to injury, so to speak. He also went back over to help as soon as he realised something was wrong, clearly concerned for his aite's welfare.

Yeah, doesn't look to me like he intended any extra damage.

Interestingly, his last push to finish off Kotoeko today seemed harder than needed, but I also feel like attributing that to Kotoeko being prone to flying around. Maybe Tokushoryu just gets caught up in the intensity of the fight and sometimes fails to give his aite that extra care rather than giving cold blooded extra shoves.

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Odd that there is this discussion about Tokushoryu getting vicious at the tarawa.  The knock on Tokushoryu has long been that he has a tendency to grab defeat from victory by letting up on his aite when he gets him to the edge.

During keiko, the two aite fight until one qains a clear advantage, and then they relax to avoid injury.  In basho mode, both fight to the bitter end.  There are some rikishi who tend to revert to their keiko mode habits during the basho.  Tokushoryu, Toyohibiki, Asasekiryu are a few examples.

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1 hour ago, Oortael said:
2011.05 9 J8w Fujiazuma 6-3 (9-6) hoshi_kuro.gif View bout okuridashi hoshi_shiro.gif M13w Tokitenku 3-6 (8-7)

So here are your answer, I guess J8 is the lowest for the modern era, but overall it went as far as J11.

That was the inglorious "Technical Examination Tournament". The latest "real" instance was

2002.07 15 J8w Ushiomaru 13-2 hoshi_shiro.gif oshidashi hoshi_kuro.gif M13e Hayateumi 6-9
 

RIP, Ushiomaru! (Sadgoodbyes...)

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People were shocked at Goeido's win on the livestream and it's like, "Uh, you know this is what he does when his rank is on the line, right?" Good win, though. Hard fought.

Terunofuji still getting it done in juryo, despite the fierce determination of his opponent. 

Chyonokuni way down in makushita has a slobber-knocker, too. I'd like to see him as a sekitori again, he's really entertaining when he's fired up.

Wide open yusho now, though of course the field of contention will narrow as the days pass. Takakeisho is the man to beat, IMO. Endo is a dark horse. I never thought Shodai was a serious prospect to take it this basho.

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That fool! He fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia. But only slightly less well-known is this: Never go up against Goeidou when his Ozeki status is on the line! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Hurgh-

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6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Yokozeki? Unless Goueidou gets his 8.. And what if Kakuryuu retires?

Then wouldn't Hakuho be the Yokozunaozeki? and they would just have no full yokozuna?

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5 hours ago, Oortael said:

I'm not the best at sumodb queries, but here is what I found :

Makuuchi bout from J5, 366 occurrences, last time was in Kyushu 2015
Makuuchi bout from J6, 96 occurrences, last time was in Natsu 2011
Makuuchi bout from J7, 36 occurrences, last time was in Natsu 2011
Makuuchi bout from J8, 9 occurrences, last time was in Natsu 2011 also (I think we have a pattern here)

2011.05 9 J8w Fujiazuma 6-3 (9-6) hoshi_kuro.gif View bout okuridashi hoshi_shiro.gif M13w Tokitenku 3-6 (8-7)

Makuuchi bout from J11,  7 occurrences, last time was in 1933
Haven't find any bout from lower (I've done query up to J15).

So here are your answer, I guess J8 is the lowest for the modern era, but overall it went as far as J11.

This isn't exactly what you're saying, but according to gans' hoshitori site, there was a bout in the Haru 1763 honbasho between a juryo and an ozeki!

J4w Haguroyama vs. O1e Oikada

Edit: After that honbasho, Oikada was demoted all the way to juryo!

Ancient sumo is fascinating!

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It looks good for Endo. Second week should be easier than first, and he did really good so far

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2 hours ago, bettega said:

It looks good for Endo. Second week should be easier than first, and he did really good so far

I wonder how good he would have been if his knee injury was treated properly.  Because surgical treatment meant his absence over several bashos,  he and his advisors opted to have his torn ACL heal naturally. That meant that his knee would never be as strong as it could have been if surgery had been performed.

Endo was talented enough to at one time to be considered as a future yokozuna candidate. Instead, Kisenosato became the first Japanese yokozuna in many years. What they both have in common is that poor injury management greatly harmed their careers. Endo will probably reach sanyaku status again soon. He may stay there for quite a while and possibly even win a yusho. But I keep thinking what his career would have been like if he had two healthy, strong knees.

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17 hours ago, Philioyamfugi said:

Takakeisho is brutal with the left and turns Abi to the right and its over. He did similar at the ropes with the right to Mita for the win. Our next Yokozuna i believe !

Sure hope so! You can tell he's really put in work. He's got that bear claw right and left. It's huge.

Was bummed about Yutakayamas's loss to the side-burned assassin. What the heck was that!? He either lost his balance or thought he had won already. Maybe both. 

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3-0 Ms43e Tochikamiyama just beat 3-0 Ms49w Hokutotsubasa in a kachikoshi match sponsored by Scrabble.... :)

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I only caught a quick glimpse of it on the feed during the Juryo doyho-iri, but Terunofuji appears to be sporting a keshomawashi that is black from top to bottom.  I may have seen hints of a dark blue trim, but maybe not. 

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Give the yusho to Terunofuji now. Wow. Juts wow.

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And that, beautiful fans, is vintage Terunofuji. I don't think his knees will hold up to it like they used to do, but watching that was like watching Godzilla get hit by lightning. You know the beast is awake now.

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14 minutes ago, Ichimawashi said:

I only caught a quick glimpse of it on the feed during the Juryo doyho-iri, but Terunofuji appears to be sporting a keshomawashi that is black from top to bottom.  I may have seen hints of a dark blue trim, but maybe not. 

Don't care what he is sporting.   Terunofuji is fully back.   Today's win against J9 Kyokushuho was a dominating one.  He went 8-0 with the win but it is the quality of the wins that is most impressive.   

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Can someone tell me what the taping on the back of Kizakiumi's neck is for?  I just can't think of it's actually function, unless it is a psychological one...

On a related note, I'm not sure whether to be impressed by the fact that Takakgenji is virtually taping-free?  But I wonder if that means that his body is resilient or if he just doesn't try as hard as the other sekitori?

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