Akinomaki

Proper division names

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This was mentioned in history threads on the forum as ancient, but when I looked at the divisions in the sumo daijiten, I found that the proper names are still the old ones.

Makuuchi is of course what we all know, also called makunouchi or just short maku, but

Jumaime is ALSO called juryo, the correct name is still the former, as is that of

Makushita nidanme, called in SHORT makushita, while

(makushita) Sandanme is really just sandanme, and can be found there in the NSK dictionary. For the 2 division above, they send you to the seemingly old or full name.

Edit: of course nothing special for jonidan and jonokuchi

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Jonokuchi doesn’t need a special name because it’s already pretty cool. It’s from the Japanese expression meaning “this is only the beginning”. 

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28 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Jonokuchi doesn’t need a special name because it’s already pretty cool. It’s from the Japanese expression meaning “this is only the beginning”. 

Unless you're Hattorizakura.

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17 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Jonokuchi doesn’t need a special name because it’s already pretty cool. It’s from the Japanese expression meaning “this is only the beginning”. 

No, it's actually a translation of  "Joe's Mouth", named after  Jounosuke Debeso, the first Ozeki to fall back to Jonokuchi in 1934. Jonidan is named after Johnny Dunne, the first foreign rikishi (Irish)  who is virtually unknown because he left sumo right after entering the bottom of the 5th division, then called "Godan."

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3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

No, it's actually a translation of  "Joe's Mouth", named after  Jounosuke Debeso, the first Ozeki to fall back to Jonokuchi in 1934. Jonidan is named after Johnny Dunne, the first foreign rikishi (Irish)  who is virtually unknown because he left sumo right after entering the bottom of the 5th division, then called "Godan."

Oh, I thought Jonidan came from a description of one of the earliest sumo bouts. The newspaper report said “Joe kneed Dan (in the nuts)”. That got mushed together in connected speech as Jonidan.

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