Jakusotsu 3,620 Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, WAKATAKE said: However at this point he cannot even walk on his own, so getting him on the Shinkansen or plane is logistically difficult. That's what helicopters are for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,736 Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, WAKATAKE said: They are hoping to get him back to Tokyo to get a better look at it. However at this point he cannot even walk on his own, so getting him on the Shinkansen or plane is logistically difficult. They'll have to get a bariatric wheelchair (also know as heavy duty or high capacity wheelchair) so he can travel back to Tokyo. Even if they need to have one sent from Tokyo, it can be shipped in a couple days. A flight is probably the better option for someone who would need assistance going to the restroom. An hour and 25-minute flight versus a five-hour Shinkansen journey. Edited November 12, 2019 by Otokonoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 28,370 Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) The medical certificate for Tomokaze: Right knee joint dislocation accompanied by ligament damage. The length of time for medical treatment is at present undecided. http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20191112/sum19111209330006-n1.html At least a year means he's out also next Kyushu - and will drop off the banzuke if he doesn't make a last day appearance then. Edited November 12, 2019 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Churaumi 414 Posted November 12, 2019 You’d think they’d plan for such things. I don’t know any more than has been reported here, so I don’t know why the hospital there can’t treat him. I don’t know if there is some other wrinkle particular to Tomokaze’s health or insurance or whatever. I assume it’s his size, and the hospital just can’t readily accommodate a huge man? If so, why are they having violence contests without a hospital nearby that can treat reasonably expectable injuries? Why don’t they have plans to move invalids back to Tokyo? I know it’s rare, but obviously it happens. From the outside and across an ocean, this looks a mess. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 14,673 Posted November 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Akinomaki said: At least a year means he's out also next Kyushu - and will drop off the banzuke if he doesn't make a last day appearance then. Not really. Either something like 2019.11 M3 2020.01 M15 2020.03 J14 2020.05 Ms15 2020.07 Ms55 2020.09 Sd35 2020.11 Sd95 or 2019.11 M3 2020.01 J1 2020.03 Ms1 2020.05 Ms41 2020.07 Sd21 2020.09 Sd81 2020.11 Jd41 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 1,426 Posted November 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Asashosakari said: Not really. Thanks for that. "Bg in one year" seemed a little off to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serge_gva 43 Posted November 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Churaumi said: You’d think they’d plan for such things. I don’t know any more than has been reported here, so I don’t know why the hospital there can’t treat him. I don’t know if there is some other wrinkle particular to Tomokaze’s health or insurance or whatever. I assume it’s his size, and the hospital just can’t readily accommodate a huge man? If so, why are they having violence contests without a hospital nearby that can treat reasonably expectable injuries? Why don’t they have plans to move invalids back to Tokyo? I know it’s rare, but obviously it happens. From the outside and across an ocean, this looks a mess. I also find it hard to believe that a city of 1.6 million people in a country at the forefront of medicine like Japan cannot handle a case like this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 1,426 Posted November 12, 2019 I can only think of NFL players in a similar situation: splinted while on the ground, then sent off on special carts. Medical services in the stadium. If necessary, Medivac to hospital. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,369 Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, serge_gva said: I also find it hard to believe that a city of 1.6 million people in a country at the forefront of medicine like Japan cannot handle a case like this... It can handle the initial assessment/treatment of the injury. The heyas probably have their preferred specialists in Tokyo for the evaluation and treatment of sumo injuries. He is probably not in need of immediate mitigation. It's also a logistical problem. In 2 weeks, everyone will be back in Tokyo. Do they leave him behind in Fukuoka for long term treatment? Edited November 12, 2019 by Asojima 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 473 Posted November 12, 2019 Poor Tomokaze, what a stroke of rotten luck. His rise to Makuuchi with uninterrupted kachikoshi is such an amazing story, I really hope he can top it off by staging an equally amazing g comeback from the depths of the banzuke. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haruibono 11 Posted November 13, 2019 Japan has just hosted the Rugby World Cup, and most teams have had their share of injuries, including dislocations. Admittedly even the biggest forward isn't quite Tomokaze's size, it surely isn't impossible to medi-vac him out by medical helicopter or plane to the Tokyo, if that is where he get best treatment. Surely JSA has a medical person who can travel alongside him. Beside that the American Forces must have a qualified orthopaedic doctor who could organise an assisted transfer if they were asked. Sitting on your hands hoping it fixes itself, will just put Tomokaze's future as a rikishi further backwards. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akōgyokuseki 206 Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) Looks like Wakatakakage's campaign is now over...his Oyakata has revealed he will be kyuujo from day 5 citing a right ankle injury. https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2019/11/13/kiji/20191113s00005000349000c.html Edited November 13, 2019 by Akōgyokuseki 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asapedroryu 107 Posted November 13, 2019 Poor Waka. Was doing great on his firts Maku basho 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nukri-nohana 17 Posted November 13, 2019 TOCHINOSHIN OUT broken rib :( 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,457 Posted November 13, 2019 50 minutes ago, nukri-nohana said: TOCHINOSHIN OUT broken rib :( Where? I'm seeing stories he hurt his side in the match but nothing about pulling out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 28,370 Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Rocks said: Where? I'm seeing stories he hurt his side in the match but nothing about pulling out. The news tell that he said about it: "It's OK. I sleep and it heals" http://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2019111301164&g=spo But it may hamper him too much to get the 10 wins Edited November 13, 2019 by Akinomaki 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nukri-nohana 17 Posted November 13, 2019 it will confirm tomorrow morning.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 9,081 Posted November 13, 2019 Kyodo is indeed now reporting Tochinoshin as kyujo from Day 5. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,457 Posted November 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said: Kyodo is indeed now reporting Tochinoshin as kyujo from Day 5. Wow, too bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 2,138 Posted November 13, 2019 Damn. I have to wonder how much longer he will choose to fight on if/when he loses his Ozeki rank for good. We could be seeing the end of Tochinoshin here. Such a shame to see how he’s fallen, given that two years ago he was arguably the rikishi most wrestling like a future Yokozuna. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yohcun 153 Posted November 14, 2019 I doubt he's finished. He was still a yusho contender as recently as May, and he has a young family to provide for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Houmanumi 210 Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, yohcun said: I doubt he's finished. He was still a yusho contender as recently as May, and he has a young family to provide for. I'd always considered it as once he knew he'd reached his ceiling, he'd want to be back in Georgia with his family. You make a good point though, and I selfishly hope you're right as I'm attending my first yusho in January and would love to see him. At any rate, tragic end to his Ozeki run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuhne 8 Posted November 14, 2019 I still can’t get tomokaze’s face off my head, right after the injury his face wasn’t one of pain, it was more like “my career!” Expression. He was in shock. Then when he was in the wheelchair he looked to be in horrible pain. But the face he made the moment he hit the ground was so sad to me, a man on a serious KK streak up until last basho and with everything going for him in his career and then that happens now tochi. This sucks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,369 Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, yohcun said: I doubt he's finished. He was still a yusho contender as recently as May, and he has a young family to provide for. He will likely play the Kotoshogiku game until something opens up in Georgia. His sanyaku days probably are gone. His family stays in Georgia, so MMA and other Japanese enterprises are likely off the table. Edited November 14, 2019 by Asojima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 9,081 Posted November 14, 2019 NHK also reports Wakatakakage as kyujo from Day 5 - one month to recover from what Google translates as "dislocation near the right foot instep", so perhaps a Lisfranc/metatarsal dislocation. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites