Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Aki 2019

[Rocks 1,770]

4 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Hokutofuji to komusubi

Asanoyama to M1e

Endo and Abi remain at komusubi

My predictions 

Same. I don't think they would even promote Hokutofuji if they didn't have to but this not promoting is costing him money and it's pretty unfair to do that twice. Abi isn't losing anything but a title he is sure to get at some point. Sekiwake earn the same as Konusubi,. 

[Rocks 1,770]

18 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

But Kotoshogiku at m2e not

What the heck, 3 M2s?

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=198007#M

 

3 M8s, 3 M11s? is this because of Kosho?

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=198101#M

Edited September 24, 2019 by Rocks

[Atenzan 1,074]

Now I'm not very well connected with the Kyokai or Hezbollah, but presumably people reading this are. Let's hope for 1/2 at least anyway. I will only say this once. 

Any fewer than 5 komusubi will be considered to be an act of cowardice. 

Your move. 

[Umizoi 27]

3 hours ago, Benihana said:

 

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=197003&heya=-1&shusshin=-1

 

two new yokozuna after hatsu 70 !!!

that's a climax in sumo world !

[Asashosakari 17,372]

4 hours ago, Morningstar said:

No they will be saying that to force a promotion, you need to do more than just a 9-6 from m1e. I expect that if he had been in contention for the title on the last day he would get promoted. They are just rasing the bar to a higher level than it was previously to open 3rd spots in the titled ranks. I am fine with that.

"Just a 9-6 from M1e"? We're talking about results scored against the very best opponents available in all of ozumo. It's possible to have 9 win records of that quality count towards an ozeki run! It would be outrageous if that's no longer enough to get a minimum promotion from the very highest maegashira position.

The banzuke committee during the turmoil period 30 years ago was a lot more willing (or capable?) to adapt to the reality that you can't just do business as usual if most of your ozeki and yokozuna are constantly absent / terrible and the real joi-jin essentially consists of sekiwake to M5 rather than yokozuna to M3. You've got to have about 7-8 active sanyaku to not screw completely with the promotion/demotion balance in the long run; if that has to include 5 or 6 S/K, then that's what needs to happen.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Asashosakari

[Sakura 1,332]

Partially relevant - next basho should be the first since Haru 2013 where Kotoshogiku was not the highest ranked wrestler in his heya. 

[Jakusotsu 5,193]

I just realized there's no precedent, so it's not 100% certain whether Takakeisho or Takayasu will be the lowest-ranked Ozeki. ("Should" be Takakeisho, but who knows...)

[Koorifuu 644]

31 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

I just realized there's no precedent, so it's not 100% certain whether Takakeisho or Takayasu will be the lowest-ranked Ozeki. ("Should" be Takakeisho, but who knows...)

I would expect incumbent Takayasu to be above Takakeisho. Ozekiwake or not, Keisho is still officially a new promotee.

But then again I might be the worst at GTB.

[Pandaazuma 1,295]

4 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

I would expect incumbent Takayasu to be above Takakeisho. Ozekiwake or not, Keisho is still officially a new promotee.

But then again I might be the worst at GTB.

I suspect the coming GTB will handily unite the meek and the mighty...

[Eikokurai 3,418]

16 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

I just realized there's no precedent, so it's not 100% certain whether Takakeisho or Takayasu will be the lowest-ranked Ozeki. ("Should" be Takakeisho, but who knows...)

When Tochinoshin regained his Ozeki rank he was ranked lower than Takakeisho in the following basho, even though Takakeisho had gone kyujo for half of Natsu and ended 3-4-8. I think that gives us a good idea.

Edited September 26, 2019 by Eikokurai

[Asashosakari 17,372]

And now that we know the retirement list includes only Homarefuji and Daikiho as already known, here are the final results of the ex-sekitori.

new KK: Akiseyama, Daiseido, Sagatsukasa, Homarefuji

new MK: Chiyonoo, Toyohibiki, Fujiazuma, Kizenryu, Nionoumi

Third straight MK for both Fujiazuma and Kizenryu.
 

Record	Rank	Shikona	Heya	Age	Out	HiRk	M#	J#
6-1	Ms1e	Wakamotoharu	Arashio	25	3	J10		1
2-4-1	Ms1w	Arawashi	Minezaki	33	1	M2	21	16
6-1	Ms2e	Akua	Tatsunami	28	6	J14		2
3-4	Ms2w	Chiyonoo	Kokonoe	28	5	M15	2	31
kyujo	Ms3w	Ryuko	Onoe	21	1	J12		1
4-3	Ms5w	Akiseyama	Kise	34	1	M16	1	32
5-2	Ms6e	Churanoumi	Kise	25	2	J14		2
2-5	Ms7e	Asabenkei	Takasago	30	8	J7		7
5-2	Ms7w	Chiyootori	Kokonoe	26	11	K	19	16
4-3	Ms9w	Daiseido	Kise	26	3	J12		3
3-4	Ms10w	Toyohibiki	Sakaigawa	34	10	M2	52	14
3-4	Ms12e	Fujiazuma	Tamanoi	32	15	M4	17	18
5-2	Ms14e	Sakigake	Shibatayama	33	28	J10		5
3-4	Ms16w	Kizenryu	Kise	34	7	J11		9
5-2	Ms17w	Hakuyozan	Takadagawa	24	2	J3		6
3-4	Ms18w	Chiyoarashi	Kokonoe	28	37	J10		4
4-3	Ms24w	Sagatsukasa	Irumagawa	37	33	M9	6	22
6-1	Ms27e	Terunofuji	Isegahama	27	8	O	24	5
2-5	Ms27w	Higonojo	Kise	34	32	J9		4
5-2	Ms28e	Kitaharima	Yamahibiki	33	12	M15	1	24
2-5	Ms29e	Jokoryu	Kise	31	4	K	15	13
3-4	Ms35w	Takaryu	Kise	27	25	J13		1
4-3	Ms36w	Kagamio	Kagamiyama	31	20	M9	7	14
3-4	Ms37w	Nionoumi	Yamahibiki	32	37	M16	1	12
6-1	Ms39w	Gokushindo	Nishikido	23	5	J13		1
2-5	Ms40e	Asahisho	Tomozuna	30	14	M11	4	30
5-2	Ms43e	Keitenkai	Onomatsu	29	42	J11		1
7-0 Y	Ms46w	Chiyonokuni	Kokonoe	29	2	M1	25	16
5-2	Ms49w	Tokushinho	Kise	35	23	J6		27
3-4	Ms56w	Masunoyama	Chiganoura	28	27	M4	13	12
2-5	Sd23w	Yoshiazuma	Tamanoi	42	30	M12	3	18
0-7	Sd25e	Kaonishiki	Azumazeki	40	48	J6		2
5-2	Sd27e	Amakaze	Oguruma	28	9	M13	1	18
2-5	Sd28w	Dairaido	Takadagawa	39	78	J2		6
4-3 (i)	Sd52e	Homarefuji	Isegahama	34	7	M6	10	28
6-1	Sd63e	Hitenryu	Tatsunami	35	48	J13		2
2-5 (i)	Sd89e	Daikiho	Miyagino	30	10	M16	1	18
kyujo	Jd36w	Ura	Kise	27	10	M4	5	6

If I counted correctly, Asahisho will narrowly avoid what would be his first trip to sandanme since 2010.

[Pandaazuma 1,295]

On 25/09/2019 at 01:51, Rocks said:

I would think so. Making him sekiwake leaves them open to issues with a 7-8 next basho. At komosubi with a 7-8 he's out of sanyaku. The problem is a traffic jam in sanyaku.. They don't want the extra slots if it can be helped. The best way to insure that is if you have to create one,  give the best chance of it going away next basho by making it the lowest one. 

This is going to become an issue though as it's clear they are getting some sanyaku level  rikishi but they aren't consistent enough for an ozeki run. 

I don't see this as a consideration. The banzuke makers won't worry about future traffic jams and will just put the lads where they think they should go.

My first instinct would be to deny Hokutofuji the promotion, but having read Pierre's comments, it seems likely now that he will get the nod. But 2S-3K is less likely than 3S-2K as far as I can tell. And so Abi might go up.

But who the hell knows? And the problem is...if you get the sanyaku number wrong, the entire banzuke is screwed in GTB. :(

Edited September 26, 2019 by Pandaazuma

[Asashosakari 17,372]

3 hours ago, Pandaazuma said:

My first instinct would be to deny Hokutofuji the promotion, but having read Pierre's comments, it seems likely now that he will get the nod.

Do I need to repeat the legal advisory disclaimer? 

[Pandaazuma 1,295]

1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

Do I need to repeat the legal advisory disclaimer? 

I still have absolutely no clue what to do here. I may well end up going with the 9-man sanyaku and above.

[lackmaker 414]

11 hours ago, Pandaazuma said:

But who the hell knows? And the problem is...if you get the sanyaku number wrong, the entire banzuke is screwed in GTB. :(

I'm certain that once the powers that be realise it's affecting GTB then expect an early announcement of the sanyaku numbers.

[Sue 463]

On 25/09/2019 at 08:54, Pandaazuma said:

I suspect the coming GTB will handily unite the meek and the mighty...

There's a reason why it's called "Guess the Banzuke," not "Construct the Banzuke."

[Pandaazuma 1,295]

7 hours ago, Sue said:

There's a reason why it's called "Guess the Banzuke," not "Construct the Banzuke."

Actually I was thinking the just the other day that this may be the first time since the banzuke after the yaocho scandal that the name of this game is correct. And I was dead last in that one, as I stubbornly attempted to make a banzuke that had no promotions for MK. ;)

Edited September 27, 2019 by Pandaazuma

[Sumo_da 34]

On 26/09/2019 at 11:39, Pandaazuma said:

I don't see this as a consideration. The banzuke makers won't worry about future traffic jams and will just put the lads where they think they should go.

My first instinct would be to deny Hokutofuji the promotion, but having read Pierre's comments, it seems likely now that he will get the nod. But 2S-3K is less likely than 3S-2K as far as I can tell. And so Abi might go up.

But who the hell knows? And the problem is...if you get the sanyaku number wrong, the entire banzuke is screwed in GTB. :(

I would love it if they promote Abi to Sekiwake. And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps winning. Also in the current constellation it's just unfair to well-performing M1-M2 if they keep them out of San'yaku because those guys keep getting KK. But that's just my opinion.  

Edited September 29, 2019 by Sumo_da

[Gabriel 13]

On 25/09/2019 at 07:15, Sakura said:

Partially relevant - next basho should be the first since Haru 2013 where Kotoshogiku was not the highest ranked wrestler in his heya. 

Who will be?

[just_some_guy 210]

46 minutes ago, Gabriel said:

Who will be?

Kotoyuki.

[ryafuji 793]

How humiliating...

[Pandaazuma 1,295]

18 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

How humiliating...

Why?

[ryafuji 793]

4 minutes ago, Pandaazuma said:

Why?

It was a joke. Kotoyuki has been in juryo until recently.

[Asashosakari 17,372]

I feel like the buried lede here is that Sadogatake-beya actually has three viable mid-maegashira all of a sudden. Who saw that coming half a year ago?