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Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Aki 2019

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4 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Hokutofuji to komusubi

Asanoyama to M1e

Endo and Abi remain at komusubi

My predictions 

Same. I don't think they would even promote Hokutofuji if they didn't have to but this not promoting is costing him money and it's pretty unfair to do that twice. Abi isn't losing anything but a title he is sure to get at some point. Sekiwake earn the same as Konusubi,. 

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Now I'm not very well connected with the Kyokai or Hezbollah, but presumably people reading this are. Let's hope for 1/2 at least anyway. I will only say this once. 

Any fewer than 5 komusubi will be considered to be an act of cowardice. 

Your move. 

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4 hours ago, Morningstar said:

No they will be saying that to force a promotion, you need to do more than just a 9-6 from m1e. I expect that if he had been in contention for the title on the last day he would get promoted. They are just rasing the bar to a higher level than it was previously to open 3rd spots in the titled ranks. I am fine with that.

"Just a 9-6 from M1e"? We're talking about results scored against the very best opponents available in all of ozumo. It's possible to have 9 win records of that quality count towards an ozeki run! It would be outrageous if that's no longer enough to get a minimum promotion from the very highest maegashira position.

The banzuke committee during the turmoil period 30 years ago was a lot more willing (or capable?) to adapt to the reality that you can't just do business as usual if most of your ozeki and yokozuna are constantly absent / terrible and the real joi-jin essentially consists of sekiwake to M5 rather than yokozuna to M3. You've got to have about 7-8 active sanyaku to not screw completely with the promotion/demotion balance in the long run; if that has to include 5 or 6 S/K, then that's what needs to happen.

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Partially relevant - next basho should be the first since Haru 2013 where Kotoshogiku was not the highest ranked wrestler in his heya. 

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I just realized there's no precedent, so it's not 100% certain whether Takakeisho or Takayasu will be the lowest-ranked Ozeki. ("Should" be Takakeisho, but who knows...)

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31 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

I just realized there's no precedent, so it's not 100% certain whether Takakeisho or Takayasu will be the lowest-ranked Ozeki. ("Should" be Takakeisho, but who knows...)

I would expect incumbent Takayasu to be above Takakeisho. Ozekiwake or not, Keisho is still officially a new promotee.

But then again I might be the worst at GTB.

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4 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

I would expect incumbent Takayasu to be above Takakeisho. Ozekiwake or not, Keisho is still officially a new promotee.

But then again I might be the worst at GTB.

I suspect the coming GTB will handily unite the meek and the mighty...

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16 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

I just realized there's no precedent, so it's not 100% certain whether Takakeisho or Takayasu will be the lowest-ranked Ozeki. ("Should" be Takakeisho, but who knows...)

When Tochinoshin regained his Ozeki rank he was ranked lower than Takakeisho in the following basho, even though Takakeisho had gone kyujo for half of Natsu and ended 3-4-8. I think that gives us a good idea.

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And now that we know the retirement list includes only Homarefuji and Daikiho as already known, here are the final results of the ex-sekitori.

new KK: Akiseyama, Daiseido, Sagatsukasa, Homarefuji

new MK: Chiyonoo, Toyohibiki, Fujiazuma, Kizenryu, Nionoumi

Third straight MK for both Fujiazuma and Kizenryu.
 

Record   Rank   Shikona Heya Age Out HiRk M# J#
6-1 Ms1e Wakamotoharu Arashio 25 3 J10   1
2-4-1 Ms1w Arawashi Minezaki 33 1 M2 21 16
6-1 Ms2e Akua Tatsunami 28 6 J14   2
3-4 Ms2w Chiyonoo Kokonoe 28 5 M15 2 31
kyujo Ms3w Ryuko Onoe 21 1 J12   1
4-3 Ms5w Akiseyama Kise 34 1 M16 1 32
 
5-2 Ms6e Churanoumi Kise 25 2 J14   2
2-5 Ms7e Asabenkei Takasago 30 8 J7   7
5-2 Ms7w Chiyootori Kokonoe 26 11 K 19 16
4-3 Ms9w Daiseido Kise 26 3 J12   3
3-4 Ms10w Toyohibiki Sakaigawa 34 10 M2 52 14
3-4 Ms12e Fujiazuma Tamanoi 32 15 M4 17 18
5-2 Ms14e Sakigake Shibatayama 33 28 J10   5
 
3-4 Ms16w Kizenryu Kise 34 7 J11   9
5-2 Ms17w Hakuyozan Takadagawa 24 2 J3   6
3-4 Ms18w Chiyoarashi Kokonoe 28 37 J10   4
4-3 Ms24w Sagatsukasa Irumagawa 37 33 M9 6 22
6-1 Ms27e Terunofuji Isegahama 27 8 O 24 5
2-5 Ms27w Higonojo Kise 34 32 J9   4
5-2 Ms28e Kitaharima Yamahibiki 33 12 M15 1 24
2-5 Ms29e Jokoryu Kise 31 4 K 15 13
 
3-4 Ms35w Takaryu Kise 27 25 J13   1
4-3 Ms36w Kagamio Kagamiyama 31 20 M9 7 14
3-4 Ms37w Nionoumi Yamahibiki 32 37 M16 1 12
6-1 Ms39w Gokushindo Nishikido 23 5 J13   1
2-5 Ms40e Asahisho Tomozuna 30 14 M11 4 30
5-2 Ms43e Keitenkai Onomatsu 29 42 J11   1
7-0 Y Ms46w Chiyonokuni Kokonoe 29 2 M1 25 16
5-2 Ms49w Tokushinho Kise 35 23 J6   27
3-4 Ms56w Masunoyama Chiganoura 28 27 M4 13 12
 
2-5 Sd23w Yoshiazuma Tamanoi 42 30 M12 3 18
0-7 Sd25e Kaonishiki Azumazeki 40 48 J6   2
5-2 Sd27e Amakaze Oguruma 28 9 M13 1 18
2-5 Sd28w Dairaido Takadagawa 39 78 J2   6
4-3 (i) Sd52e Homarefuji Isegahama 34 7 M6 10 28
6-1 Sd63e Hitenryu Tatsunami 35 48 J13   2
2-5 (i) Sd89e Daikiho Miyagino 30 10 M16 1 18
 
kyujo Jd36w Ura Kise 27 10 M4 5 6


If I counted correctly, Asahisho will narrowly avoid what would be his first trip to sandanme since 2010.

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On 25/09/2019 at 01:51, Rocks said:

I would think so. Making him sekiwake leaves them open to issues with a 7-8 next basho. At komosubi with a 7-8 he's out of sanyaku. The problem is a traffic jam in sanyaku.. They don't want the extra slots if it can be helped. The best way to insure that is if you have to create one,  give the best chance of it going away next basho by making it the lowest one. 

This is going to become an issue though as it's clear they are getting some sanyaku level  rikishi but they aren't consistent enough for an ozeki run. 

I don't see this as a consideration. The banzuke makers won't worry about future traffic jams and will just put the lads where they think they should go.

My first instinct would be to deny Hokutofuji the promotion, but having read Pierre's comments, it seems likely now that he will get the nod. But 2S-3K is less likely than 3S-2K as far as I can tell. And so Abi might go up.

But who the hell knows? And the problem is...if you get the sanyaku number wrong, the entire banzuke is screwed in GTB. :(

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3 hours ago, Pandaazuma said:

My first instinct would be to deny Hokutofuji the promotion, but having read Pierre's comments, it seems likely now that he will get the nod.

Do I need to repeat the legal advisory disclaimer? (Laughing...)

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1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

Do I need to repeat the legal advisory disclaimer? (Laughing...)

I still have absolutely no clue what to do here. I may well end up going with the 9-man sanyaku and above.

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11 hours ago, Pandaazuma said:

But who the hell knows? And the problem is...if you get the sanyaku number wrong, the entire banzuke is screwed in GTB. :(

I'm certain that once the powers that be realise it's affecting GTB then expect an early announcement of the sanyaku numbers.

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On 25/09/2019 at 08:54, Pandaazuma said:

I suspect the coming GTB will handily unite the meek and the mighty...

There's a reason why it's called "Guess the Banzuke," not "Construct the Banzuke."

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7 hours ago, Sue said:

There's a reason why it's called "Guess the Banzuke," not "Construct the Banzuke."

Actually I was thinking the just the other day that this may be the first time since the banzuke after the yaocho scandal that the name of this game is correct. And I was dead last in that one, as I stubbornly attempted to make a banzuke that had no promotions for MK. ;)

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On 26/09/2019 at 11:39, Pandaazuma said:

I don't see this as a consideration. The banzuke makers won't worry about future traffic jams and will just put the lads where they think they should go.

My first instinct would be to deny Hokutofuji the promotion, but having read Pierre's comments, it seems likely now that he will get the nod. But 2S-3K is less likely than 3S-2K as far as I can tell. And so Abi might go up.

But who the hell knows? And the problem is...if you get the sanyaku number wrong, the entire banzuke is screwed in GTB. :(

I would love it if they promote Abi to Sekiwake. And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps winning. Also in the current constellation it's just unfair to well-performing M1-M2 if they keep them out of San'yaku because those guys keep getting KK. But that's just my opinion.  

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On 25/09/2019 at 07:15, Sakura said:

Partially relevant - next basho should be the first since Haru 2013 where Kotoshogiku was not the highest ranked wrestler in his heya. 

Who will be?

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18 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

How humiliating...

Why?

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4 minutes ago, Pandaazuma said:

Why?

It was a joke. Kotoyuki has been in juryo until recently.

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I feel like the buried lede here is that Sadogatake-beya actually has three viable mid-maegashira all of a sudden. Who saw that coming half a year ago?

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