Kintamayama 44,220 Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) I think this warrants a separate thread, as Yoshikaze's situation is pretty bad. Probably kyujo, far from fit, drop to Makushita, and he'll retire. It's not me speculating, but some online papers are pretty sure this is going to happen. We'll know in a couple of hours if he's out of the basho, and if he's out, probably sooner than later, an intai announcement. Edited September 5, 2019 by Kintamayama 1 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted September 5, 2019 https://tachiai.org/2019/09/05/yoshikaze-to-retire/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,804 Posted September 5, 2019 I don't see him retiring yet. If he were he would probably not have waited too long after the surgery to announce. He had to know he would not be ready for this basho regardless so realizing he can't compete this time doesn't mean much toward the decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,870 Posted September 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rocks said: I don't see him retiring yet. If he were he would probably not have waited too long after the surgery to announce. He had to know he would not be ready for this basho regardless so realizing he can't compete this time doesn't mean much toward the decision. The decision may have been made several months ago. The announcement may have been delayed until he was going to drop out of the paid ranks and all of the kabu/transition details were in place. This is not a surprise announcement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,804 Posted September 5, 2019 26 minutes ago, Asojima said: The decision may have been made several months ago. The announcement may have been delayed until he was going to drop out of the paid ranks and all of the kabu/transition details were in place. This is not a surprise announcement. Yoshikaze has owned the kabu for 5 years now so I don't think that will be an issue. And if they had made the decision months ago why not announce it after surgery to allow the process to go forward? It's not like he was ever going to be ready to compete this basho so why wait if when he would drop didn't change. Even with a 0-0-15 here he'll still be in the paid ranks till the start of Kyushu right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asapedroryu 227 Posted September 6, 2019 The Tachiai post now says to disregard the information. Anyway, if he is kyujo, then i hope he does retire. At 37 he has passed the age most top division rikishi retires, so to see him struggling in 3rd division would make no sense and would just be sad (a bit like Aminishiki, but at least he was getting paid). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,614 Posted September 6, 2019 Sanspo and Hochi both have articles about Yoshikaze retiring, but they are purely speculation at this point, as no official announcement is made yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
code_number3 694 Posted September 6, 2019 Yoshikaze is listed as kyujo (by now) on NSK absentee list Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,433 Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) I hope he retires. It’s not been pleasant watching him over the past year or so. Far too many times he was in the dohyo in body only. He seems like a prime candidate for getting CTE. Edited September 6, 2019 by Eikokurai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flohru 176 Posted September 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Rocks said: Yoshikaze has owned the kabu for 5 years now so I don't think that will be an issue. I think Asojima was not referring to Yoshikaze owning the kabu, but to the guy borrowing it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainoyama 1,157 Posted September 6, 2019 Yoshikaze is not on the torikumi for the first two days Kyujo confirmed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
code_number3 694 Posted September 6, 2019 Takekaze has retired and yoshikaze (shortly) will retire, and oguruma oyakata will reach 65 in 3 years. Will any one of them will succeed oguruma or it will branch out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted September 6, 2019 It appears to be official. https://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20190906/sum19090612080007-n1.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted September 6, 2019 Sad to see the James Brown of sumo go. Gonna need a bit of Canadiana to get me by. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsuchinoninjin 1,244 Posted September 6, 2019 47 minutes ago, Otokonoyama said: It appears to be official. https://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20190906/sum19090612080007-n1.html Still just 'expected' nothing confirmed yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,530 Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Otokonoyama said: It appears to be official. https://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20190906/sum19090612080007-n1.html Not yet official, but (more or less) definite - the headline says "on the way to intai" (just like Hakuho - on the way to oyakata). Oguruma-oyakata thinks Yoshikaze is in a conflict now, whether to go on or quit - and says he'll leave it to the man himself. Yoshikaze is still in hospital and entering later is seen as very unlikely. http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/201909060000663.html Edited September 6, 2019 by Akinomaki 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted September 6, 2019 Thank you all for the context. One of the great features here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nantonoyama 239 Posted September 6, 2019 He could wait until Monday or Tuesday after the tournament (so before the banzuke committee) so that the kabu borrower can have one more basho as oyakata, and he gets some more money from salaries, bonuses and kabu loan... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 806 Posted September 6, 2019 48 minutes ago, Nantonoyama said: He could wait until Monday or Tuesday after the tournament (so before the banzuke committee) so that the kabu borrower can have one more basho as oyakata, and he gets some more money from salaries, bonuses and kabu loan... It's vacant - the borrower (ex-Sadanofuji) has already switched to another kabu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,804 Posted September 6, 2019 Since Yoshikaze has already gone kyujo for the basho there is no need to announce anything. Is he retiring? Yes. But I don't think there will be any official announcement till the paychecks stop. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,530 Posted September 7, 2019 21 hours ago, Akinomaki said: the headline says "on the way to intai" Today the Sanspo headline has: intai definite. Related persons say that Yoshikaze has no intention to go on in makushita. http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20190907/sum19090705020003-n1.html Yoshikaze is in a hospital specializing in rehabilitation, but is in no condition yet to do sumo. Oguruma-oyakata: "He can walk, but not bend his knee properly. The day he can do his style of sumo is still far away. I want to leave it to him, the decision will be during the basho." - local NHK with vid http://www3.nhk.or.jp/lnews/oita/20190906/5070004735.html 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaninoyama 1,660 Posted September 12, 2019 Yoshikaze intai is official: just announced on NHK broadcast. 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainoyama 1,157 Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Kaninoyama said: Yoshikaze intai is official: just announced on NHK broadcast. Confirmed by the Kyokai as well, he owns the Nakamura Kabu so he'll take the name Nakamura 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted September 12, 2019 お疲れ様でした。 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dada78641 884 Posted September 12, 2019 I was a little shocked to see him retiring. I mean, sure I haven't seen him fight for a while but I assumed he was injured or somewhere in lower juryo temporarily. It's always weird when a wrestler who's been a makunouchi mainstay for years decides to quit. Fortunately, the sumo circle of life continues as always. (Shin juryo Kaishou/魁勝.) :) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
