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1 hour ago, Rocks said:

And last night played out exactly as I thought it would.  Congrats to @Sakura It will be a miracle if I KK in Bench now which sucks as I was at 7-4.

You called it correctly. But I was right, our bout was awful, though not as low scoring as the Yassier-Konosato bout.

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1 minute ago, Sakura said:

You called it correctly. But I was right, our bout was awful, though not as low scoring as the Yassier-Konosato bout.

Not a fun night in bench. I couldn't even come up with a good quote. Hopefully next time will be better or at least more fun.

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Alright.Oracle. I did Gonzabarow and Kotononami.

Gonzabarrow starts the night at 532 too with 12 undecided matches giving a range 520-544. 

Kotononami starts at 528 with 6 matches undecided giving a range of 522-534.

 

So if things go well for Gonzabarrow he's looking very good for the yusho.  Not so much for Kotononami. With starting 4 behind and the overlap in undecideds I'd say he's out of the yusho race.

Time to do my picks. Will try to get a few more later.

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1 hour ago, Rocks said:

Alright.Oracle. I did Gonzabarow and Kotononami.

Gonzabarrow starts the night at 532 too with 12 undecided matches giving a range 520-544. 

Kotononami starts at 528 with 6 matches undecided giving a range of 522-534.

 

So if things go well for Gonzabarrow he's looking very good for the yusho.  Not so much for Kotononami. With starting 4 behind and the overlap in undecideds I'd say he's out of the yusho race.

Time to do my picks. Will try to get a few more later.

For me:

Now = 533 

10 up 14 down => 529 

Range 522 - 536

Rooting for: Tochinoshin (Weeping...), Aoiyama, Meisei, Shodai, Daiamami, Yago, Asagyokusei

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5 minutes ago, chishafuwaku said:

For me:

Now = 533 

10 up 14 down => 529 

Range 522 - 536

Rooting for: Tochinoshin (Weeping...), Aoiyama, Meisei, Shodai, Daiamami, Yago, Asagyokusei

Good job! (Clappingwildly...)

You are kinda in a tough boat yusho wise though starting 3 back. Shodai, Daiamami, Yago, Asagyokusei basically overlap with everyone leaving you only 3 to catch up with. 

Good luck!!!!

I just finished Choso-yuki:

Starts at 528 with a range of 518-538. Not a lot of overlap either so could get lucky. Kind of in the same boat as Gonzabarrow but starting 4 back.

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Jejima's was nice and easy.

Starts as 533, Range 527-539.

 

Derosa: Starts at 529 Range 521-537

Andoreasu: Starts at 528 Range 521-535

 

@Sakura : Starts 531 Range 524-538  

And to finish out the Top 10:

Oskahanada; Starts 530 Range 515-545 Lots of undecided matches no one else has.. This could be a winner here. 

 

That's it for me. I'm tired. A winner could very well come from outside the Top 10 though. I've done it myself. :-D

 

Good luck everyone and (Cheers...)

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Oh, hey, Seki-Toto has three contenders entering senshuraku at 11-3, too. ;-)

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7 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Oh, hey, Seki-Toto has three contenders entering senshuraku at 11-3, too. ;-)

Yes, it does. But I'm a little confused by that. Panda is listed top but is he winning the tiebreaker right now? Xs don't count for that right?

 

 Oh, so it's LEAST X picks. I thought the tiebreaker was most correct picks without Xs.

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2 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Yes, it does. But I'm a little confused by that. Panda is listed top but is he winning the tiebreaker right now? Xs don't count for that right?

He is. The first tie-breaker is the score from juryo bouts, IIRC including X points. Sadly the whole revised tie-breaking structure, while implemented, never got the full treatment years ago so that players could actually see how they stand. Doitsuyama is far too busy with more important stuff so I've been loathe to bother him with it. (I've actually been thinking to propose further revisions that would remove all remaining penalties from X picks, but I'm not hopeful that it would be happening anytime soon.)

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Bout Pandaazuma Gonzabarrow Kotononami Choshu-yuki Jejima DeRosa Andoreasu Gansekiiwa Sakura Chishafuwaku Oskahanada
Start 532 532 528 528 533 529 528 532 531 529 530
Asagyokusei 532 532 528 528 533 529 528 532 531 529 530
Mitoryu 532 532 528 528 533 529 528 532 531 529 530
Kizakiumi 532 531 527 528 533 528 528 531 531 529 531
Yago 532 532 528 529 534 529 529 532 531 530 532
Kaisei 532 532 528 529 534 529 529 532 531 530 531
Tokoshoryu 532 532 528 530 534 529 529 532 531 530 531
Daiamami 533 533 529 531 534 529 529 532 531 531 531
Chiyomaru 533 533 529 531 534 529 529 532 531 531 530
Kagayaki 534 534 530 532 534 529 530 532 531 531 531
Onosho 534 535 530 533 534 530 530 533 531 531 532
Enho 534 535 530 533 534 530 530 533 531 531 533
Kotoshogiku 534 536 530 534 534 530 530 533 531 531 533
Shodai 533 535 529 533 533 529 529 532 530 530 532
Tamawashi 532 534 529 533 534 529 528 531 529 530 531
Chiyotairyu 532 533 529 532 534 528 528 531 529 530 530
Daiesho 532 533 529 532 534 528 528 531 530 530 530
Meisei 532 533 529 532 534 528 528 531 530 531 530
Ryuden 532 533 529 532 534 529 528 531 530 530 531
Myogiryu 533 533 530 532 535 529 528 532 531 530 532
Tochinoshin 533 532 530 532 535 529 527 531 530 529 531
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Okay, gonna try to keep a running total for the top 11. No idea if it will work or if I can keep up.

1st column lists a bout someone has an undecided outcome in, not necessary everyone though. It also doesn't reflect the pick, just the name of a rikishi in the bout. 

Would have helped if I could have posted as a table, but it didn't come over.

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Also, again winner could come from outside top 10 and it's doubtful all 11 of these players will stay in the top 10.

 

And of course it goes without saying I may not have got the math right everywhere either.

 

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Jejima up by 1 over Panda and Gonzabarrow after Juryo.

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Well unless my math is wrong, very likely, or someone outside the Top 11 did better. Congrats to @Jejima

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Well my math was wrong but I got the winner right. Congrats @Jejima

 

Dang Shodai cost me forth place in Odd. Tamawashi cost me lot all around. 

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I can't stop laughing now - after the Hokutofuji experience in UDH with 53rd on day 8 to a finish at 10th and in Hoshitori a rise to the top 5 already at the start of the 2nd week, I expected to barely keep the 3rd rank in the end, but not the yusho - my first in any of the 3 sumo games I play (GTB is the 3rd.). And that with my no. 1, 4 and 6 kyujo and 2 more makekoshi. Thanks to my no. 2 Mitakeumi.

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Hello to everyone,

First time I am posting here. I need a clarification regarding the Sekitori-Toto winner of Aki Basho 2019.

According to the rules, in case of tie break for the final win it's the less "X"s that are that are taken in account and then the total points, then the risk factor. Is that right?

If not, could anyone tell me what are the rules  in case of tie break for the yusho win?

If you check my nick you'll easily understand that I'm concerned first hand....   ;)

Thanks to all for your feedback.

Athenayama

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2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

I can't stop laughing now - after the Hokutofuji experience in UDH with 53rd on day 8 to a finish at 10th and in Hoshitori a rise to the top 5 already at the start of the 2nd week, I expected to barely keep the 3rd rank in the end, but not the yusho - my first in any of the 3 sumo games I play (GTB is the 3rd.). And that with my no. 1, 4 and 6 kyujo and 2 more makekoshi. Thanks to my no. 2 Mitakeumi.

Yes, Hoshitori for a real roller coaster ride this basho. 

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1 hour ago, Athenayama said:

Hello to everyone,

First time I am posting here. I need a clarification regarding the Sekitori-Toto winner of Aki Basho 2019.

According to the rules, in case of tie break for the final win it's the less "X"s that are that are taken in account and then the total points, then the risk factor. Is that right?

If not, could anyone tell me what are the rules  in case of tie break for the yusho win?

If you check my nick you'll easily understand that I'm concerned first hand....   ;)

Thanks to all for your feedback.

Athenayama

Hi and welcome,

  If you scroll up a bit in this thread you can see I asked the same and @Asashosakari response. He knows all. The rules were changed at some point and never updated. You'll find this with a lot of the games unfortunately.  Apparently the first tie-breaker is the score from juryo bouts, IIRC including X points. An odd choice to me.  I would think that something with total correct picks would be the obvious choice.

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1 hour ago, Rocks said:

Hi and welcome,

  If you scroll up a bit in this thread you can see I asked the same and @Asashosakari response. He knows all. The rules were changed at some point and never updated. You'll find this with a lot of the games unfortunately.  Apparently the first tie-breaker is the score from juryo bouts, IIRC including X points. An odd choice to me.  I would think that something with total correct picks would be the obvious choice.

Thank you Rocks.

I actually read all the thread before to post. I was just hoping that someone would be able to post here the whole renewed rules regarding the tie-breakers.

It's ok.

Well, then, congratulations to Pandazumaa for the win.  :)

I hope to be even better in November to avoid any tie- break ! :p

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Is there some list with the yusho scores for Hoshitori? I only found this mention of a below 1000 score

On 28/09/2017 at 23:11, Yubinhaad said:

Well, the lowest-scoring Makuuchi yusho race in 21 years resulted in the lowest-scoring Hoshitori yusho in 15 years - not a bad way to mark my 100th basho! I think it's only the third sub-1000-point yusho during my time playing it.

and that was 996 - now my score is 979. I guess one of the 2 lowest ever, and that explains why I could get the yusho: I always have plenty of wrong selections, and this time everybody was virtually forced to make many bad choices.

Rather thanks to my no.2 Mitakeumi, I have to thank my no.3 Takakeisho for this success - I was one of quite few to believe in him getting the 10 wins, while many placed Mitakeumi high.

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19 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Is there some list with the yusho scores for Hoshitori? I only found this mention of a below 1000 score

On ‎28‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 22:11, Yubinhaad said:

Well, the lowest-scoring Makuuchi yusho race in 21 years resulted in the lowest-scoring Hoshitori yusho in 15 years - not a bad way to mark my 100th basho! I think it's only the third sub-1000-point yusho during my time playing it.

and that was 996 - now my score is 979. I guess one of the 2 lowest ever, and that explains why I could get the yusho: I always have plenty of wrong selections, and this time everybody was virtually forced to make many bad choices.

 

The record low yusho score was set just two basho after the one you found:
 

On ‎07‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 17:50, Yubinhaad said:

Regarding Hoshitori, it's the fifth sub-1000pt yusho since 1996 Aki (scoring system was different before then). Shatsume's winning score of 915 is indeed the lowest of those five, "surpassing" Kirinoumi's 948pt yusho from 2002 Kyushu.

 

Yours is the 4th-lowest yusho score. Perhaps an indication of the turbulent times on the dohyo, this is the third consecutive basho with a sub-1000pt yusho! Your "normal" score (i.e, your base points without all the bonuses added) is the lowest of them. Congratulations on your hatsu yusho!
 

Basho		Winner		Total (Normal)

2018 Hatsu	Shatsume	915 (757)
2019 Nagoya	Bill		940 (805)
2002 Kyushu	Kirinoumi	948 (782)
2019 Aki	Akinomaki	979 (736)
2019 Natsu	Susanoo		984 (814)
2002 Nagoya	Zentoryu	988 (838)
2017 Aki	Yubinhaad	992 (816)
1999 Haru	Kazushima	997 (788)

 

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On 22/09/2019 at 17:23, Rocks said:

Well my math was wrong but I got the winner right. Congrats @Jejima

 

Dang Shodai cost me forth place in Odd. Tamawashi cost me lot all around. 

I wonder if 'Oracle' is broken as a sumo game? I had zero time to enter any pre-basho games, and so asked for Kosho in most of them. As I had skipped Oracle in July, I *had* to play it this time. Anyone looking at my picks for this game, will see that there was next to zero thought put into them. Perhaps a tinkering with the scoring system is required?

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15 minutes ago, Jejima said:

I wonder if 'Oracle' is broken as a sumo game? I had zero time to enter any pre-basho games, and so asked for Kosho in most of them. As I had skipped Oracle in July, I *had* to play it this time. Anyone looking at my picks for this game, will see that there was next to zero thought put into them. Perhaps a tinkering with the scoring system is required?

And Scarebear once scored a 9-6 while aiming to have the worst possible Hoshitori entry.

If the two yokozuna don't drop out of the tournament, you're makekoshi.

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14 hours ago, Rocks said:

Hi and welcome,

  If you scroll up a bit in this thread you can see I asked the same and @Asashosakari response. He knows all. The rules were changed at some point and never updated. You'll find this with a lot of the games unfortunately.  Apparently the first tie-breaker is the score from juryo bouts, IIRC including X points. An odd choice to me.  I would think that something with total correct picks would be the obvious choice.

I think the idea is that the yusho TB criterion should be different to that of any of the sansho. For some reason, I thought it was total score in Makuuchi. Is it really Juryo picks??

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