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The case of M3w Tamawashi - He has 10 wins from M3. He beat O1w Takayasu and Yw Kakuryu. However, he's 3-4 against the active sanyaku overall, with a 4th win by default when O2e Takakeisho withdrew (making his basho record against those ranks 4-4): 1-3 vs the Komusubi and Sekiwake, 2-1 vs the Yokozuna and Ozeki (not counting Takakeisho).  Is that enough to be awarded a Kanto-sho?

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I would say as Tamawashi has beaten a yokozuna and the tournament winner, he should get the Shunkun-sho. 

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Shimanoumi will surely get one with a win tomorrow. Double digits on makuuchi debut usually results in a kanto-sho.

I’ve pondered whether Abi and/or Ryuden might get something if they win tomorrow too. 

Asanoyama probably deserves something as well. ;)

Heck, give him all three. It’s been a while.

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17 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

I would say as Tamawashi has beaten a yokozuna and the tournament winner, he should get the Shunkun-sho. 

Tochinoshin too. He also beat Kakuryu and Asanoyama.  :-P

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Meisei and Daishoho are facing each other and both are 9-5 maybe a Kanto-sho to the winner ?

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Of the 5 immediate Ozeki repromotions, none have gotten sansho in their one basho not Ozeki, although most of them were 10 wins exactly.  They do give sansho to former Ozeki in general (Miyabiyama got a few), but it seems rarer.  Might he be given one as a courtesy because of the botched call, given that they're decided on by journalists and not the shimpan?

Asanoyama will obviously get one, and I suspect if he beats Mitakeumi he'll get another, but not otherwise.  It's hard to say which ones would be which though. 

Shimanoumi should get the Kanto-sho if he wins - that precedent seems to be completely re-established now.

Tamawashi should get the Shukun-sho as has been mentioned.

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30 minutes ago, thatguyalex2018 said:

At 8-7? I doubt it.

Aminishiki got Kanto-sho for an 8-7

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The Kyokai web page that normally displays the prizes has changed in the last few minutes from "Please wait for the update" to claiming that no prizes were awarded.  Given that Asanoyama practically *has* to have been given one, I'm skeptical.

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8 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

The Kyokai web page that normally displays the prizes has changed in the last few minutes from "Please wait for the update" to claiming that no prizes were awarded.  Given that Asanoyama practically *has* to have been given one, I'm skeptical.

The Kyokai ‘Grand Sumo’ app still says ‘to be announced.’

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13 minutes ago, Godaiko said:

The Kyokai ‘Grand Sumo’ app still says ‘to be announced.’

http://sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMain/champions/

it’s updated

  • Shukun-sho: Asanoyama
  • Kanto-sho: Asanoyama, Tamawashi (conditionally), Abi (conditionally), Shimanoumi (conditionally)
  • Gino-sho: Ryuden (conditionally)

 

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Lots of lines there.

Shukun-Sho: Asanoyama

Kanto-sho: Winner of Abi vs Tamawashi, Asanoyama, Shimanoumi if he wins

Gino-Sho: Ryuden if he wins

Those involve my interpretations of "conditionally", but given the Yusho is decided, I don't know what other conditions there could be.

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from NSK site

2019 May Grand Sumo Tournament Sansho List (Special Prizes)

Shukun-sho(Outstanding Performance Award)

West Maegashira #8 Asanoyama(Hiroki Ishibashi)  
(12-2)
Takasago Beya
Date of Birth: March 1, 1994 (25 years old)
Place of Birth: Toyama
2016 March Debut

Kanto-sho(Fighting Spirit Prize)

West Maegashira #3 Tamawashi(Batjargal Munkh-orgil)  conditionally
(10-4)
Kataonami Beya
Date of Birth: November 16, 1984 (34 years old)
Place of Birth: Mongolia
2004 January Debut

Kanto-sho(Fighting Spirit Prize)

West Maegashira #4 Abi(Kosuke Horikiri)  conditionally
(9-5)
Shikoroyama Beya
Date of Birth: May 4, 1994 (25 years old)
Place of Birth: Saitama
2013 May Debut

Kanto-sho(Fighting Spirit Prize)

West Maegashira #8 Asanoyama(Hiroki Ishibashi)  
(12-2)
Takasago Beya
Date of Birth: March 1, 1994 (25 years old)
Place of Birth: Toyama
2016 March Debut

Kanto-sho(Fighting Spirit Prize)

East Maegashira #12 Shimanoumi(Koyo Hamaguchi)  conditionally
(9-5)
Kise Beya
Date of Birth: July 11, 1989 (29 years old)
Place of Birth: Mie
2012 May Debut

Gino-sho(Technique Prize)

West Maegashira #5 Ryuden(Yuki Watanabe)  conditionally
(9-5)
Takadagawa Beya
Date of Birth: November 10, 1990 (28 years old)
Place of Birth: Yamanashi
2006 March Debut
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59 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

Aminishiki got Kanto-sho for an 8-7

For being oldest returner to makuuchi with kachi-koshi - a one time event

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13 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Those involve my interpretations of "conditionally", but given the Yusho is decided, I don't know what other conditions there could be.

The Japanese version says 勝った方 for Abi-Tamawashi "to the winner". And 勝てば for Shimanoumi and Ryuden "if they win" you are 100% correct.

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Tamawashi has 10 wins but needs 11 for Kanto-sho, while other guys can get it with 10?

EDITS - I sent before I was done writing, sorry about that

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1 minute ago, Fukurou said:

I wonder what those "conditionally" requirements are. Tamawashi already has 10 wins

Considering he and Abi are both conditional it must be whoever wins. Guess they are holding Tamawashi to a higher standard being a former sanyaku and yusho winner.

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2 minutes ago, Fukurou said:

I wonder what those "conditionally" requirements are. Tamawashi already has 10 wins

According to the Japanese version I just posted above it's to the winner of the bout with Abi.

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3 minutes ago, Fukurou said:

I wonder what those "conditionally" requirements are. Tamawashi already has 10 wins but it seems he needs 11, while other guys can get it with 10?

 

Keep in mind that sansho are more about exceptional performances relatively than absolutely.  Former Sekiwake, especially ones with multiple KKs at the rank, need a stronger record for a sansho than someone never in sanyaku.  There are plenty of examples, of which Aminishiki fits (but in a different way, due entirely to age, much like Kyokutenho's last Kanto-sho).

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6 minutes ago, Fukurou said:

Tamawashi has 10 wins but needs 11 for Kanto-sho, while other guys can get it with 10?

 

He has a fusen sho and is sanyaku regular maybe that's why ?

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7 hours ago, Rainoyama said:

He has a fusen sho and is sanyaku regular maybe that's why ?

He also had regular wins against a yokozuna and an ozeki. However, as others pointed out it's the "sanyaku regular" thing that put him in that position.

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A detail that seems to be missing from this thread is the number of times the winners have won their respective Special Prize:

Asanoyama Shukunsho (1st time)

Asanoyama Kantosho (3rd time)

Abi Kantosho (2nd time)

Shimanoumi Kantosho (1st time)

Ryuden Ginosho (1st time)

 

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57 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

Shimanoumi Kantosho (1st time)

A fine Makuuchi debut for Shimanoumi.  

I thought Shodai may have a run at one of the prizes.  

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10 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

A fine Makuuchi debut for Shimanoumi.  

He made his professional sumo debut in 2012, and sat out five tournaments in a row on his way up.  After two straight yusho in Juryo, I was worried that he may have "hit the wall" in his top Division debut.  After all, he started out with a 4-5 record, but he finished strong proving that he has bloomed (at least for now).  Colour me impressed.

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