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31 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

That's one of those predictions that I, for one, can't tell if you are being facetious or not.  Makes me want to check if there ever was a shinnyumaku wrestler who won a championship in his debut tournament.  Somehow, I doubt it – although Ichinojo did come close.  An Enho yusho would blow the sumo world up!  So let's not get ahead of ourselves. 

I wasn’t being entirely serious, no. Haha. And yet it’s not totally implausible, is it? Well, maybe it is.

As for the query, that’s a relatively simple one to look up. There don’t appear to have been any makuuchi debut yusho in the modern era, but plenty of jun-yusho. Ichinojo’s was the most recent.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=M&form1_y=on&form1_yd=on&form1_jy=on&form1_m=on&form1_debutd=on

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Much like yesterday Enho's opponent only turned up with a Plan A. It was a better Plan A than Chiyoshoma's the day before, in that it included both keeping Enho away from Yago's belt AND attempting a pull down, but much like Chiyoshoma, when Plan A didn't work, there was no Plan B about how to deal with the little guy once he grabbed the belt. Then splat!

 

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Tochinoshin is definitly not one of my favourite wrestlers, but have to admit he deserves this Yusho and get back to Ozeki. Let's see what he does in the second week, but apart from Kakuryu that has been so so, all the ones above him are having crap performances.

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7 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Ikioi continues to waste everyone's time by appearing on the dohyo for no reason.

Well to be fair, he does have a reason - he's never missed a bout in his career and he wants to keep that streak going. You may not  agree with it but it's a reason nonetheless.

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Another translation from Nikkan, this time about Enho.

The 24 years old lightweight surprised again today with a win against 178 kg giant Yago improving his record to 5-1 on his debut basho, well on pace to get the 10 wins and technique prize he is aiming for.

Just like for Asanoyama the other day, Chairman Hakkaku had things to say about Hakuho's young stalemate "He can win with all sort of techiques, he can get a left grip, go for a leg grab, move around... the big guys dislike that a lot." He commented.

The praise was quickly nuanced though "His sumo is working for now but things will change once his opponents figure it out. After a few bouts against him they'll understand. Enho needs to evolve and improve"

"Small rikishi winning against big ones are one of thrills of watching sumo. I want Enho to do his best this basho" he continued.

Ex Musoyama also had a word to the press about the young talent: "Competing in Makuuchi with such a small body and doing nonetheless, he must be pleasing the fans and he is fighting bravely isn't he ?"

"It must be difficult for those big guys to fight the small and lively Enho, but it must be tough for him too to fight guys twice his size it's a bit of at paradox" he concluded.

https://www.nikkansports.com/m/battle/sumo/news/201905170000824_m.html?mode=all

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So far this tournament, Tochinoshin is the only pseudo-ozeki (i.e., former Ozeki) acting like a real Ozeki.  To be fair, Takakeisho was doing well in his debut, but an unfortunate injury got in the way.  Both Goeido and Takayasu have three upset losses in the first six days - definitely not Ozeki-worthy starts.  But what really makes Tochinoshin stand out in the crowd is that five of his six wins have been by the noblest of techniques: yorikiri.  Not even Kakuryu can make that claim.  Just saying.

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2 hours ago, ryafuji said:

Well to be fair, he does have a reason - he's never missed a bout in his career and he wants to keep that streak going. You may not  agree with it but it's a reason nonetheless.

You know what they say: better to shorten your career to keep some streak alive as an anonymous Ms/Sd than take some time off to heal up.

In all seriousness, is there any kind of incentive for him to keep going besides bragging rights and pride?

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22 hours ago, Thelone said:
On 17/05/2019 at 16:25, ryafuji said:

Well to be fair, he does have a reason - he's never missed a bout in his career and he wants to keep that streak going. You may not  agree with it but it's a reason nonetheless.

You know what they say: better to shorten your career to keep some streak alive as an anonymous Ms/Sd than take some time off to heal up.

In all seriousness, is there any kind of incentive for him to keep going besides bragging rights and pride?

Given the continued interest/disinterest in Ikioi and his stubborn determination, is it fair to start talking about him dropping out of the sekitori ranks sometime this year?

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12 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

Given the continued interest/disinterest in Ikioi and his stubborn determination, is it far to start talking about him dropping out of the sekitori ranks sometime this year?

I have to wonder what will happen if he goes 0-15.  They may give him a break and give him 1 more basho in Juryo given his status and his effort in showing up every day.  They may just drop him to Makushita for July.  if they give him one more basho then he will need to KK then or he will be in Makushita for September for sure.

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1 hour ago, Thelone said:

In all seriousness, is there any kind of incentive for him to keep going besides bragging rights and pride?

No. This is sumo.

 

Tochinoshin's behind looks like he sat on a porcupine...or went hunting with Dick Cheney, but his sumo is strong. Please don't blow that knee again.

Enho is amazing. I said it in the past and i will say it again: +10cm +20kg = Chiyonofuji 2.0. Such a shame.

Ichinojo A why hast thou forsaken us?

Despite his loss today you can see Abi upped his game a fair notch. Will be interesting to see how the upper ranks compared to Aki 2018 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=12094&b=201809

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12 minutes ago, Benihana said:

 

Enho is amazing. I said it in the past and i will say it again: +10cm +20kg = Chiyonofuji 2.0. Such a shame.

Totally agree..it's all in the footwork and speed.

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1 hour ago, Rocks said:

I have to wonder what will happen if he goes 0-15.  They may give him a break and give him 1 more basho in Juryo given his status and his effort in showing up every day.

Only happened once before, and Juryo has been much bigger then, of course.

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4 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Only happened once before, and Juryo has been much bigger then, of course.

Yeah, I don't think they would but Ikioi is one of a kind. If anybody was ever to get such luck it would be someone like him or Aminishiki. 

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According to the script I stole from the kyokai, Tochinoshin does not take the yusho. He gets his ten wins, but not before suffering one loss, and then he lets up a bit because, "hey, job accomplished!" and Kakuryu takes another  win off him to move two ahead. Kakuryu drops a win, letting Tochinoshin close within one, but Kakuryu goes strong the rest of the way and finishes 14-1. Tochinoshin finishes 12-3. 

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6 minutes ago, Benevolance said:

According to the script I stole from the kyokai, Tochinoshin does not take the yusho. He gets his ten wins, but not before suffering one loss, and then he lets up a bit because, "hey, job accomplished!" and Kakuryu takes another  win off him to move two ahead. Kakuryu drops a win, letting Tochinoshin close within one, but Kakuryu goes strong the rest of the way and finishes 14-1. Tochinoshin finishes 12-3. 

Sounds eminently plausible.

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I hope tochinoshi wins out to day 10, it'd be nice to be there for that.

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7 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Only happened once before, and Juryo has been much bigger then, of course.

Actually Hoshitango an Argentine rikishi went 0-15 at juryo 8 in Nagoya 2000.

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3 minutes ago, Joaoiyama said:

Actually Hoshitango an Argentine rikishi went 0-15 at juryo 8 in Nagoya 2000.

But he did not stay in Juryo.

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7 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Only happened once before, and Juryo has been much bigger then, of course.

Ikioi is the second-highest ranked rikishi in Juryo at J1w, which will probably give him enough of a cushion to avoid a demotion to Makushita in the event of 0-15. Much depends on the records of everyone below as well though, of course. 

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11 hours ago, Benihana said:

 

Tochinoshin's behind looks like he sat on a porcupine...or went hunting with Dick Cheney, but his sumo is strong. 

 

I have been wondering why it has all those square marks on it and it is so beat up. Anyone got any ideas - some form of cupping or something else?

 

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6 hours ago, Benevolance said:

According to the script I stole from the kyokai, Tochinoshin does not take the yusho. He gets his ten wins, but not before suffering one loss, and then he lets up a bit because, "hey, job accomplished!" and Kakuryu takes another  win off him to move two ahead. Kakuryu drops a win, letting Tochinoshin close within one, but Kakuryu goes strong the rest of the way and finishes 14-1. Tochinoshin finishes 12-3. 

That's an excellent tarot card reading.   Sumo is such a predictable sport when the script is known.  I stole the other page of the script and it says Ikio must continue get his streak going.    On 9th day, Ikio is slated to win one and goes 1-14 for the basho.   His opponent for the 9th day will be instructed to fall for Ikio's henka.   

What's up with Takegenji?   Not fooling around, I guess.   

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3 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

I stole the other page of the script and it says Ikio must continue get his streak going.    On 9th day, Ikio is slated to win one and goes 1-14 for the basho.   His opponent for the 9th day will be instructed to fall for Ikio's henka.   

 

Apparently, I stole the fake copy of the script.   Ikio wins today, not on the 9th.

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Wonderful. The baseball game on the QQ stream was delayed because of rain so is still only on the fifth innings. They usually cut in for the sumo at 3pm but guess not today ... 

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51 minutes ago, Morty said:

I have been wondering why it has all those square marks on it and it is so beat up. Anyone got any ideas - some form of cupping or something else?

 

No, not cupping. The marks are band aids. I think they cut out eczema or something alike.

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9 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Wonderful. The baseball game on the QQ stream was delayed because of rain so is still only on the fifth innings. They usually cut in for the sumo at 3pm but guess not today ... 

Artistic Gymnastics Cup is on NHK G. No Juryo sumo today and Makuuchi already started. Still broadcasting gymnastics. (:

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