Rikishi younger than everyone above them on the banzuke

[Gurowake 3,915]

3 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

The cutoff date is April 1 in Japan's school system. In any case, we only need to go back three years to find a shindeshi class that was full of March-born rookies.

So I guess it was just a coincidence in terms of which March-born entrants that were entering just prior to their 15th birthday that I noticed previously.  Thanks.

[Yarimotsu 522]

Rikishi older than everyone above them on the banzuke, Natsu 2023:

Y1e

Terunofuji

29.11.1991

K2e

Shodai

05.11.1991

M2e

Takayasu

28.02.1990

M7w

Tamawashi

16.11.1984

Sd31e

Aozora

26.08.1983

Sd45e

Shoketsu

05.09.1976

Aozora back on the list and Shoketsu at a higher rank too. Shodai and Takayasu re-appear as Tamawashi falls.

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by Yarimotsu

[Hoshotakamoto 256]

Shoketsu defending a streak of 5 wins for the first time in 10.5 years.

One more and he'll be pursuing his streak of 7 that crossed over NYE 2003.

His last recorded fusen victory was in 1996.

Edited May 7, 2023 by Hoshotakamoto

[Yamanashi 3,724]

15 hours ago, Hoshotakamoto said:

Shoketsu defending a streak of 5 wins for the first time in 10.5 years.

One more and he'll be pursuing his streak of 7 that crossed over NYE 2003.

His last recorded fusen victory was in 1996.

Oldest of the rikojisan who stuck it out through Covid era.  Without the retirees in the last couple of years, would we have seen a rikishi reach mandatory retirement at age 65?

[Gurowake 3,915]

Nagoya 2023

Y1e	Terunofuji	29.11.1991
O1e	Takakeisho	05.08.1996
S1e	Hoshoryu	22.05.1999
M5e	Hiradoumi	20.04.2000
M6e	Hokuseiho	12.11.2001
M17w	Hakuoho	22.08.2003
Ms9e	Otsuji	06.10.2003
Ms29w	Kazuto	13.12.2003
Ms39e	Setonoumi	11.06.2004
Ms50w	Tanji	05.06.2006
Sd30e	Rinko	04.07.2006
Jd12e	Takaarashi	28.12.2006
Jd64e	Yumenofuji	02.02.2008
Jk3w	Daibasho	21.03.2008

Hiradoumi passes Kotoshoho

Ochiai/Hakuoho passes Atamifuji

Setonoumi falls below Kazuto 

Takaarashi passes Hayashiryu

Yumenofuji passes Daibasho

[Seiyashi 4,071]

What's the highest number of stablemates that have been on this list simultaneously? 

Edited June 28, 2023 by Seiyashi

[Gurowake 3,915]

24 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

What's the highest number of stablemates that have been on this list simultaneously? 

I have no interest in keeping track of stables of the people on the list.

[Yarimotsu 522]

Rikishi older than everyone above them on the banzuke, Nagoya 2023:

Y1e

Terunofuji

29.11.1991

M1e

Nishikigi

25.08.1990

M7e

Takayasu

28.02.1990

M7w

Tamawashi

16.11.1984

Sd53w

Katsunofuji

04.05.1984

Sd56w

Hagane

29.08.1981

Sd65e

Asatenmai

23.05.1981

Sd71e

Dairaido

17.04.1980

Sd80w

Shoketsu

05.09.1976

Nishikigi surpasses Shodai, making his first visit to the veterans' list. Takayasu and Tamawashi hold. Aozora retired so Katsunofuji makes an appearance (unsure if this is a first). Hagane makes a rare appearance by ranking higher than Asatenmai, with Shoketsu falling. Allowing room for Dairaido to sneak in, the banzuke's oldest man remains in Sandanme.

The longest list in quite a while.

[Reonito 1,335]

1 minute ago, Yarimotsu said:

Rikishi older than everyone above them on the banzuke, Nagoya 2023:

Y1e

Terunofuji

29.11.1991

M1e

Nishikigi

25.08.1990

M7e

Takayasu

28.02.1990

M7w

Tamawashi

16.11.1984

Sd53w

Katsunofuji

04.05.1984

Sd56w

Hagane

29.08.1981

Sd65e

Asatenmai

23.05.1981

Sd71e

Dairaido

17.04.1980

Sd80w

Shoketsu

05.09.1976

Nishikigi surpasses Shodai, making his first visit to the veterans' list. Takayasu and Tamawashi hold. Aozora retired so Katsunofuji makes an appearance (unsure if this is a first). Hagane makes a rare appearance by ranking higher than Asatenmai, with Shoketsu falling. Allowing room for Dairaido to sneak in, the banzuke's oldest man remains in Sandanme.

The longest list in quite a while.

Tamawashi creating the gap from upper M to mid-Sandanme continues to be extremely impressive.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

3 hours ago, Reonito said:

Tamawashi creating the gap from upper M to mid-Sandanme continues to be extremely impressive.

Yup. Without him, the progression between Takayasu and Katsunofuji would be Sadanoumi-Myogiryu-Aoiyama-Akiseyama right now.

[Gurowake 3,915]

Aki 2023

Y1e	Terunofuji	29.11.1991
O1e	Kirishima	24.04.1996
O1w	Takakeisho	05.08.1996
O2w	Hoshoryu	22.05.1999
M7w	Oho	14.02.2000
M8w	Hiradoumi	20.04.2000
M9w	Hakuoho	22.08.2003
Ms17e	Otsuji	06.10.2003
Ms23e	Kazuto	13.12.2003
Ms32w	Kotokenryu	19.01.2004
Ms49e	Setonoumi	11.06.2004
Ms52w	Shunrai	10.04.2005
Sd5e	Tanji	05.06.2006
Sd46e	Rinko	04.07.2006
Sd82e	Takaarashi	28.12.2006
Jd23w	Kiyonoyama	24.12.2007
Jd37e	Yumenofuji	02.02.2008
Jd74w	Daibasho	21.03.2008

Kirishima passes Takakeisho

Hiradoumi falls below Oho

Hokuseiho falls below Hakuoho (and Oho)

Kotokenryu passes Setonoumi

Tanji falls below Shunrai

Kiyonoyama passes Yumenofuji

Edited August 29, 2023 by Gurowake

[Yarimotsu 522]

Rikishi older than everyone above them on the banzuke, Aki 2023:

Y1e

Terunofuji

29.11.1991

K1e

Nishikigi

25.08.1990

M3w

Tamawashi

16.11.1984

Sd38e

Asatenmai

23.05.1981

Sd42w

Dairaido

17.04.1980

Jd4w

Yoshiazuma

26.05.1977

Jd13w

Shoketsu

05.09.1976

Takayasu, Katsunofuji, and Hagane are removed from the list by our most consistent veterans outperforming them. This time Yoshiazuma gets a berth, with the banzuke's oldest man falling to Jonidan.

[Hoshotakamoto 256]

I am still hungover from a party in 2008. How can 2008 be on this list?

[Jejima 1,314]

Those people who remember when the Sumo Mailing List was in its heyday (it still exists!) will recall that @Kintamayama used to keep track on Ichinoya, due to him being much older (for a few years) than all the other rikishi. He got a little bit of fame among foreign fans for this very reason. I remember cheering him on in person at one basho, in a lower division (to the surprise of the sparse crowd).

Anyway, I have just checked, and Shoketsu is almost as old as Ichinoya was, when Ichinoya retired.

(Thanks to Ichinoya, I also got to watch a very young Asashoryu train at the heya (with Josh Reyer, for those that remember his contributions from decades ago) - we'd gone to see Ichinoya, as it was the time of Jungyo, so none of the other rikishi that we followed were in Tokyo. This was before Asashoryu had become a sekitori. I remember that both of us were greatly impressed by his training, even though we didn't know who he was.)    

[Gurowake 3,915]

10 hours ago, Jejima said:

Ichinoya,

What I find most interesting about this is that he went to college, and apparently graduated, before entering Ozumo, and yet he still stuck around Ozumo until he was in his late 40s.  I would expect college folks to be the least likely to stay around that long, but to skedaddle and get a "real" job using their degree once they knew they weren't going to be sekitori. 

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

2 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

What I find most interesting about this is that he went to college, and apparently graduated, before entering Ozumo, and yet he still stuck around Ozumo until he was in his late 40s.  I would expect college folks to be the least likely to stay around that long, but to skedaddle and get a "real" job using their degree once they knew they weren't going to be sekitori. 

Some people just love the lifestyle, I guess. 

[Asashosakari 18,786]

21 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

What I find most interesting about this is that he went to college, and apparently graduated, before entering Ozumo, and yet he still stuck around Ozumo until he was in his late 40s.  I would expect college folks to be the least likely to stay around that long, but to skedaddle and get a "real" job using their degree once they knew they weren't going to be sekitori. 

I don't think he joined expecting to become sekitori to begin with.

[Jejima 1,314]

I'm hoping that @Kintamayama will chime in here, as he actually knows Ichinoya. But I think Ichinoya was the heya's cook during his career, and I think (definitely not sure about this) that he might have stayed with the heya in some sort of heya-management role after his retirement...? 

From memory, I think that he came from Okinawa, and just enjoyed the rikishi lifestyle.....

[Kintamayama 44,350]

29 minutes ago, Jejima said:

I'm hoping that @Kintamayama will chime in here, as he actually knows Ichinoya. But I think Ichinoya was the heya's cook during his career, and I think (definitely not sure about this) that he might have stayed with the heya in some sort of heya-management role after his retirement...? 

From memory, I think that he came from Okinawa, and just enjoyed the rikishi lifestyle.....

 He was already the manager de facto while he was active. And the cook. I got to check out his cooking-it was excellent. He also managed all things internet and had a daily blog, years before anyone heard the word blog. That's how I got to know him. After retirement he was a full time manager and for all I know, he may still be the manager at Takasago beya. Met him twice-the first time when he invited me to keiko where I foresaw the ascendance to Yokozuna of Mr. Asashouryuu when he was still in Makushita, and Takasago beya was still Wakamatsu beya. The second time, I met him on the street opposite the KKan while having coffee with Mr. Gunning. I ran out to him and Mr. Gunning had the quickness to take a photo. This is pre-phone cameras-he had a real camera with him..Phones were solely used for speaking, imagine that.

 

Edited August 31, 2023 by Kintamayama

[Akinomaki 39,770]

Seems there is still interest in Ichinoya, I posted his recent activities in an extra thread - this thread has endured enough off-topic

He quit the job as heya manager when he reached kanreki (60) and turned freelance, he's now heya advisor - and does plenty of other things

Edited August 31, 2023 by Akinomaki

[Gurowake 3,915]

Kyushu 2023

Y1e	Terunofuji	29.11.1991
O1e	Takakeisho	05.08.1996
O2w	Hoshoryu	22.05.1999
M7e	Hokuseiho	12.11.2001
M8w	Atamifuji	03.09.2002
J6w	Hakuoho	22.08.2003
Ms5w	Otsuji	06.10.2003
Ms25w	Kotokenryu	19.01.2004
Ms29w	Tanji	05.06.2006
Sd57e	Rinko	04.07.2006
Jd8w	Takaarashi	28.12.2006
Jd12e	Keiga	02.09.2007
Jd50e	Kotomunakata	27.11.2007
Jd57e	Kiyonoyama	24.12.2007
Jd66w	Yumenofuji	02.02.2008
Jd85e	Daibasho	21.03.2008

Takakeisho passes Kirishima

Hokuseiho and Atamifuji pass Oho, Hiradoumi, and Hakuoho.

Kazuto falls below Kotokenryu

Tanji passes Setonoumi and Shunrai

Keiga passes Kiyonoyama, who also falls below Kotomunakata

[Yarimotsu 522]

Rikishi older than everyone above them on the banzuke, Kyushu 2023:

Y1e

Terunofuji

29.11.1991

M2e

Shodai

05.11.1991

M3e

Takayasu

28.02.1990

M9e

Myogiryu

22.10.1986

M12w

Tamawashi

16.11.1984

Sd52e

Dairaido

17.04.1980

Sd76e

Yoshiazuma

26.05.1977

Jd38e

Shoketsu

05.09.1976

Shodai, who is older than Terunofuji by a matter of days, returns to the list. Takayasu, also returning, knocks Nishikigi off the list. Myogiryu is 3 years older than anyone above him but this is somewhat surprisingly his first entry on the list, being younger than Hakuho, Okinoumi and Tamawashi. Asatenmai is surpassed by Dairaido, and our oldest man has his first consecutive basho in Jonidan since 1997 (before I was born).

[Yamanashi 3,724]

12 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:

Rikishi older than everyone above them on the banzuke, Kyushu 2023:

Y1e

Terunofuji

29.11.1991

M2e

Shodai

05.11.1991

M3e

Takayasu

28.02.1990

M9e

Myogiryu

22.10.1986

M12w

Tamawashi

16.11.1984

Sd52e

Dairaido

17.04.1980

Sd76e

Yoshiazuma

26.05.1977

Jd38e

Shoketsu

05.09.1976

Shodai, who is older than Terunofuji by a matter of days, returns to the list. Takayasu, also returning, knocks Nishikigi off the list. Myogiryu is 3 years older than anyone above him but this is somewhat surprisingly his first entry on the list, being younger than Hakuho, Okinoumi and Tamawashi. Asatenmai is surpassed by Dairaido, and our oldest man has his first consecutive basho in Jonidan since 1997 (before I was born).

The standout is, of course, Tamawashi the Iron Man; no one from Juryo, Makushita and half of Sandanme is older.

In fact, a quick (and maybe <100% accurate) look at the list of kabu holders show that he's older than 18 of these "elders" [interesting that he shares a birthday with ex-Toyohibiki].

[Yokozuna Hattorizakura 151]

On 01/11/2023 at 14:40, Yarimotsu said:

Rikishi older than everyone above them on the banzuke, Kyushu 2023:

Y1e

Terunofuji

29.11.1991

M2e

Shodai

05.11.1991

M3e

Takayasu

28.02.1990

M9e

Myogiryu

22.10.1986

M12w

Tamawashi

16.11.1984

Sd52e

Dairaido

17.04.1980

Sd76e

Yoshiazuma

26.05.1977

Jd38e

Shoketsu

05.09.1976

Shodai, who is older than Terunofuji by a matter of days, returns to the list. Takayasu, also returning, knocks Nishikigi off the list. Myogiryu is 3 years older than anyone above him but this is somewhat surprisingly his first entry on the list, being younger than Hakuho, Okinoumi and Tamawashi. Asatenmai is surpassed by Dairaido, and our oldest man has his first consecutive basho in Jonidan since 1997 (before I was born).

Interestingly, aside from Shoketsu, all of them have made it to the sekitori ranks. And besides Dairaido, all of those sekitori made it to Makuuchi.

[Yamanashi 3,724]

9 hours ago, Yokozuna Hattorizakura said:

Interestingly, aside from Shoketsu, all of them have made it to the sekitori ranks. And besides Dairaido, all of those sekitori made it to Makuuchi.

Well, the top five have, so ...

Yoshiazuma last dropped from Juryo in 2014, and was last in Makushita in 2017.

Daraido, who entered in Ozumo in the last century, has been fighting it out for a long time, having reached the Makushita joi 4 times since he left Juryo, until 2016 when he apparently was injured and dropped to Jonidan 29.