Rikishi Status Natsu 2019 - Day 13 Returns/Withdraw

[Gurowake 4,008]

Hyperbaric oxygen at least *sounds* better than cupping.  But it defies my sense of how the body works.  A higher concentration of oxygen on the outside of the body should do next to nothing.  Cells get oxygen from the bloodstream, and it's only absorbed in large quantities in the lungs.  What other use a high concentration of oxygen and not, say, nitrogen, could there be?  If it's just high pressure that does the trick, they would just use nitrogen.  Maybe the quacks figure people are more likely to believe it if it's something people know the body needs, even if it makes no sense to be delivered that way.  There are plenty of things that Wikipedia lists that are at least reasonable to have some mechanism to work, like things that are actually exposed to the air and so can absorb oxygen directly, while a ligament/muscle/tendon sports injury that is internal only it makes absolutely no sense for. 

[Yubinhaad 11,590]

Kaisei is kyujo from Day 8 due to a bicep injury in his right arm (sounds similar to Hakuho's injury).

Myogiryu will pick up the fusensho.

[Rocks 1,807]

2 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

Kaisei is kyujo from Day 8 due to a bicep injury in his right arm (sounds similar to Hakuho's injury).

Myogiryu will pick up the fusensho.

Ugh.

[Asojima 2,873]

And Ichinojo has been announced as kyujo from Day 8. Kotoshogiku gets the win.

Edited May 19, 2019 by Asojima

[Bumpkin 438]

7 minutes ago, Asojima said:

And Ichinojo has been announced as kyujo from Day 8.

Kotoshogiku will get the fusen sho.

[Yubinhaad 11,590]

Kaisei sustained a right bicep tendon injury (右上腕二頭筋腱断裂) in his bout against Ryuden - I noticed he immediately reached for it with his left hand at the end of the bout. He will have a detailed scan at hospital, return is unlikely according to Tomozuna-oyakata (former Sekiwake Kyokutenho).

Haven't seen any specific info for Ichinojo yet, but Minato-oyakata (former Maegashira Minatofuji) confirmed that he had right knee pain before the basho (some of our sharp-eyed posters spotted he had taping on it), and that worsened day by day. Return is possible.

Edited May 19, 2019 by Yubinhaad

[Bumpkin 438]

Sd21w Yamaguchi (0-4), fusen loss on Day 8, has gone kyujo. Is this the end for Hakuho"s deshi?

Jd59e Kotomanabe (1-2-1) has returned.

[Bumpkin 438]

Ozeki Takakeisho (3-3-2) is rumored to be withdrawing again. Sekiwake Tochinoshin (7-1) would get the fusen sho.

[Akōgyokuseki 227]

36 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Ozeki Takakeisho (3-3-2) is rumored to be withdrawing again. Sekiwake Tochinoshin (7-1) would get the fusen sho.

Nikkan are speculating also... doesn't look good.

https://www.nikkansports.com/m/battle/sumo/news/201905190001500_m.html?mode=all

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On 18/05/2019 at 07:20, Gurowake said:

Hyperbaric oxygen at least *sounds* better than cupping.  But it defies my sense of how the body works.  A higher concentration of oxygen on the outside of the body should do next to nothing.  Cells get oxygen from the bloodstream, and it's only absorbed in large quantities in the lungs.  What other use a high concentration of oxygen and not, say, nitrogen, could there be?  If it's just high pressure that does the trick, they would just use nitrogen.  Maybe the quacks figure people are more likely to believe it if it's something people know the body needs, even if it makes no sense to be delivered that way.  There are plenty of things that Wikipedia lists that are at least reasonable to have some mechanism to work, like things that are actually exposed to the air and so can absorb oxygen directly, while a ligament/muscle/tendon sports injury that is internal only it makes absolutely no sense for. 

Cells get oxygen from the blood stream. It gets there through the lungs. And you have a higher concentration of oxygen in your lungs when the air that surrounds you has more oxygen (assuming you keep breathing).

The question is more if more oxygen helps you with that kind of issue.

[apraxin 56]

...and confirmed: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20190520/k10011922041000.html.

Takakeisho re-kyujo from Day 9. Doesn't specify that this the first time an Ozeki's gone kyujo twice in one basho, but says it's 'an extremely irregular occurrence'.  

[Kaninoyama 1,711]

3 minutes ago, apraxin said:

...and confirmed: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20190520/k10011922041000.html.

Takakeisho re-kyujo from Day 9. Doesn't specify that this the first time an Ozeki's gone kyujo twice in one basho, but says it's 'an extremely irregular occurrence'.  

Thank goodness. Kachi-koshi is all but out of reach so zero to gain from remaining in the tournament at this point. Heal up that knee and come back strong next basho. 

[shumitto 418]

After landing  partly on his  injured knee - courtesy of Aoiyama's henka - Takakeisho probably realised it was not worth it after all. He didn't look quite comfortable even before that.

Ikioi is having a kyujo-like basho again, but I doubt he will withdraw. He is now on a 3-20 run.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Tochinoshin breathes a sigh of relief. He’s got an awful record against Takakeisho (6-1 in favour of the youngster). Granted, he’d probably feel confident about facing him in Taka’s current condition, but I’m sure a fusensho is appreciated!

[Bumpkin 438]

It's official. Ozeki Takakeisho is kyujo, again.

[Fukuyamada 42]

Knee injuries really shouldn't be disregarded or brushed off so easily.

[Benihana 1,910]

4 hours ago, shumitto said:

After landing  partly on his  injured knee - courtesy of Aoiyama's henka

Courtesy of Takakeisho being stupid enough showing up.

[Morty 1,483]

8 hours ago, WakaTakaFlame said:

Cells get oxygen from the blood stream. It gets there through the lungs. And you have a higher concentration of oxygen in your lungs when the air that surrounds you has more oxygen (assuming you keep breathing).

The question is more if more oxygen helps you with that kind of issue.

More oxygen is generally considered to be beneficial for every type of injury and increases healing times. Standard first aid practice is to put people on oxygen (if you have access to it) regardless of what they have wrong with them. And sucking on some oxygen is categorically the best thing out there for a hang-over... 

[Naganoyama 5,879]

1 hour ago, Morty said:

More oxygen is generally considered to be beneficial for every type of injury and _increases_ healing times. Standard first aid practice is to put people on oxygen (if you have access to it) regardless of what they have wrong with them. And sucking on some oxygen is categorically the best thing out there for a hang-over... 

reduces?

[Benihana 1,910]

18 minutes ago, Naganoyama said:

reduces?

oh yes 

[Morty 1,483]

10 minutes ago, Benihana said:

oh yes 

Yeah, that's what I meant

[Yamanashi 3,771]

19 hours ago, WakaTakaFlame said:

Cells get oxygen from the blood stream. It gets there through the lungs. And you have a higher concentration of oxygen in your lungs when the air that surrounds you has more oxygen (assuming you keep breathing).

The question is more if more oxygen helps you with that kind of issue.

 ... but why quibble about Science when we can tap the premier source for sports truth, the NFL:

 

https://www.apnews.com/508fef72700f455d98280e6559b8afa9

 

[Benihana 1,910]

49 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

 ... but why quibble about Science when we can tap the premier source for sports truth, the NFL:

 

https://www.apnews.com/508fef72700f455d98280e6559b8afa9

 

Well, i can't find any major flaws. I know that some of these things indeed work (floating/cryo). I don't know enough about that infrared/laser-thing to judge, but it appears legit on first read. Methods like these aren't used for no reason all over the world. It's 2019, players are worth millions, if not dozens of millions of euros. A good team doctor would never do anything that could harm the players. Sumo compared to that is stuck in the middle ages. Guys like legendary Dr.Müller-Wohlfahrt of Bayern Munich would go absolutely berzerk (and actually he did go full berzerk) if a football coach did to his players what is business as usual in sumo and that for a good reason. We praise Naruto-Oyakata for his plans on improving nutrition and changing training methods. But compared to what is standard even in obscure amateur sports here in Germany, it's just laughable. Look at Terunofuji. Something like that should never happen in any sport, last in the highest league of a national institution. Be a brave little warrior, walk it off...baka.

Edited May 20, 2019 by Benihana

[Bumpkin 438]

Ms40e Kagamio (3-2) has gone kyujo. Now what?

[Fukurou 534]

11 hours ago, Bumpkin said:

Ms40e Kagamio (3-2) has gone kyujo. Now what?

Maybe Takakeisho will come back again?