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Takakeisho's 11th win was literally very straightforward. 

Now, just for the final-day drama, let's have Tamawashi drop a bout.

Edit: Well, Takakeisho now needs Endo to do him a favour if the yusho race is going to go to a playoff.

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The NHK announcer has now exclaimed three times that Takakeisho's sumo was "perfect". Make that four times.

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Takakeisho will already know if a win gets him a playoff or not by the time he fights tomorrow. I only hope that if Tamawashi has already secured the yusho, that Takakeisho doesn't lose focus. The more wins the better if this talk of 11 not necessarily being enough has any truth to it.

 

Mitakeumi ... what was the point? 

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1 minute ago, Eikokurai said:

Takakeisho will already know if a win gets him a playoff or not by the time he fights tomorrow. I only hope that if Tamawashi has already secured the yusho, that Takakeisho doesn't lose focus. The more wins the better if this talk of 11 not necessarily being enough has any truth to it.

11 is good by me but 12 will nail it.   

1 minute ago, Eikokurai said:

Mitakeumi ... what was the point? 

Ditto.  Perhaps, Mita was doing this to start a new Ozeki run?   Nah.  He was just being < fill in your politically incorrect noun here >.

Two kadobans avoided today.  That's a good day of basho.

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29 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

With his short little arms, he'll always have to flop and won't ever be able to develop another bashobuton routine.  

He should develop a new routine, like rolling into it, getting a thicker/taller "bashobuton," etc..  :-P

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4 hours ago, wys said:

After reading many of the posts on here about Takakeisho's one-sided sumo, I feel like it might be a bit overblown. I know that I may be biased because he is my favorite rikishi, but I believe that Takakeisho has certain intangible qualities that are even more important than the ability to fight yotsu-zumo. If you watch his matches, the guy has heart, determination, and confidence. I would say these qualities more than compensate for his limited repertoire. I've never seen a match of his where he doesn't give a 110%. Compare that to a guy like Ichinojo, for instance, who is much larger and has the reach but doesn't have those same intangible qualities that Takakeisho has, and you see the difference in their ranking and career trajectory. What do you all think? 

 

 

I think that Takakeisho will not maintain that power for long. And when they finally figure out how to get to his belt consistently, his future is in the low Maegashira ranks. Btw I am also biased, I don´t like his sumo.

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2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Enho henkas his way to a KK.

Why didn't the gods of sumo warn Terutsuyoshi of Enho's henka?...I think that's maybe why he smiled afterwards ;-)(Laughing...)

Congratulations to Shimanoumi, a surprise yusho winner indeed...and a worthy one too, it was a solid performance from him.

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2 hours ago, Otokonoyama said:

Time for that walking CTE case that is Yoshikaze to hang up the mawashi and do the elder thing. Does he have a kabu, or does he have to compete for the fast disappearing few titles around?

For an Oshi specialist he is a particular graybeard anyway. Perhaps that stress on his arms and wrists has now caught up with him. On the other hand, he came back strong from his Nagoya basho disaster.

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Unless I’m mistaken, with today’s win Tamawashi set a new personal best for consecutive shiroboshi in the top division at 9, surpassing the 8 successive wins he managed in September 2010 ranked at M14.

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2 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Well, if the Day 15 schedule they've put online is accurate, the shimpan group has made the executive decision to have Takakeisho-Goeido as the musubi no ichiban instead of Takayasu-Kaisei...

I was just puzzled by the same thing. Highly unusual, isn't it? But kudos for skipping Tamawashi-Myogiryu.

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6 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Anointing him the next dai-yokozuna seems a wee bit premature.

Right. That is why I am saying it might be difficult to get the Ozeki promotion- a contributing factor at least. The powers that be might not want to put that kind of pressure on him (a once-in-a-century-type promotion). And they might not want to be accused of moving to fast just to advance the generation-change agenda.

That said, Kise had the slowest advance to Yokozuna so maybe we are in for a violent regression to mean!

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3 hours ago, robnplunder said:

Nope.  Didn't feel that.  Surprised, yes.

There was certainly a fair bit of muttering. As there was after Enho's henka.

 

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3 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Well, if the Day 15 schedule they've put online is accurate, the shimpan group has made the executive decision to have Takakeisho-Goeido as the musubi no ichiban instead of Takayasu-Kaisei...

It that even precedented? Isn't that unfair to Takakeisho in case he has to be involved in a kettei-sen (less time to recover, ok, it is only one bout, and Tamawashi is one bout away only, but yet...)

In 1972 the musubi-no-ichiban maegashira was a yusho contender, none of them are today, that might have motivated this decision

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4 hours ago, Otokonoyama said:

So, I've got this huge dilemma. Away from the TV today so it's Abema and endless ads, or mbovo and the atrocious DS. (Thinkingindepth...)

I listen to John on Shonichi but then it's Japanese commentary all the way for me. I did use to have a soft spot for Dave Wiggins, though. ;)

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So Pretty boy endo is the great Japaneese hope. Props to Tamawashi, he's been pretty consistent no lower then M2 in 6 basho... He could have been on the Katoban carousel for a a few years if was ever promoted to Ozeki. Haven't broken any arms in a while too. At least we have the basho down to the wire. Go Endo !! 

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13 hours ago, Gurowake said:

I think Kintamayama may have overly emphasized the hypothetical language there. 

Exact word for word translation. 2場所連続優勝ならば、そういう話は出てくるかもしれない

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How sweet was Ikioi’s kotenage on Ryuden? I missed it first time thanks to a bad connection. Sometimes I wonder what Ikioi could have achieved if he wasn’t a walking bruise.

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5 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Well, if the Day 15 schedule they've put online is accurate, the shimpan group has made the executive decision to have Takakeisho-Goeido as the musubi no ichiban instead of Takayasu-Kaisei...

I guess they wanted to avoid a Maegashira rikishi on the final day musubi ticket at all costs..

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5 hours ago, Otokonoyama said:

So, I've got this huge dilemma. Away from the TV today so it's Abema and endless ads, or mbovo and the atrocious DS. (Thinkingindepth...)

I think once you get used to the accent, he is a witty guy that knows his sumo. I enjoyed him. The guy I enjoyed the most after being able to hear the English side for the first time was Murray. I did not not enjoy any of them, actually. How times change. A few years back we would have given our right arm for a reasonable  quality feed, let alone English commentary. 

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3 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

I think once you get used to the accent, he is a witty guy that knows his sumo. I enjoyed him. The guy I enjoyed the most after being able to hear the English side for the first time was Murray. I did not not enjoy any of them, actually. How times change. A few years back we would have given our right arm for a reasonable  quality feed, let alone English commentary. 

you are right about the good times we are living in with multiple ways to watch sumo, but still i would prefer only the sound from the kokugikan without any commentary......i do not understand japanese or chinese and the englich commentators can't tell me something i do not already know from following sumo for years or from this forum

this is why i follow football (soccer) with only stadium-sound if available

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A special rijikai is to be convened tomorrow after the bouts and will address Takakeishou’s promotion, yes or no. "I think we are going to hear a lot of views. I would like to hear everyone's view," said Ounomatsu head of judging department man. Regarding today's bout, Ounomatsu said this:"It was perfect sumo (Ooohh..just what David said 4 times on TV today..). He was calm."

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5 minutes ago, Gernobono said:

still i would prefer only the sound from the kokugikan without any commentary....

We used to have that on the fuzzy wuzzy free Kyokai feed, remember??

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