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Hatsu Basho 2019 Discussion [SPOILERS]

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18 minutes ago, mt fuji said:

Probably so, with all of the intai and Daishomaru's awful start

And there's only Terutsuyoshi above him who is close to KK at the moment. 

Edit: Terutsuyoshi has his KK.

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5 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

I've got two mates, one who is really into boxing and the other MMA, and when I post videos of sumo it's always the most combative bouts they enjoy most. The slow-burn grappling contests resulting in someone being carefully escorted out the ring by yorikiri may please the purists, but let's be honest, bouts when someone goes flying into the front row or the rikishi exchange a dozen harite provide the most crowd-pleasing entertainment. That style of sumo risks injury.

 

I think people who don't know sumo well may find violent exchange in sumo fun and exiting but I doubt if most sumo fans prefer such stuff over good sumo involving skills.   That's my take based on crowd reaction on TV.  

 

Enho vs Gagamaru was exciting one that clearly displayed different tactics, strategy, and skill without the little guy flying into the front row.  Enho almost pulled out an improbable win.   That was exciting.

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20 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Ishiura on his way back to Makuuchi? Kachikoshi today.

Terutsuyoshi & Ishiura will both be in Makuuchi in the next basho.     We know what Ishiura had done in Makuuchi.   It will be interesting to see how well Terutsuyoshi fares in his debut.   I say he will MK.

Mitakeumi is hobbling.   He should not have comeback, especially, to face Hak.   Man, he is risking bigger injury.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

 

I think people who don't know sumo well may find violent exchange in sumo fun and exiting but I doubt if most sumo fans prefer such stuff over good sumo involving skills.   That's my take based on crowd reaction on TV.  

 

Enho vs Gagamaru was exciting one that clearly displayed different tactics, strategy, and skill without the little guy flying into the front row.  Enho almost pulled out an improbable win.   That was exciting.

Perhaps, but most viewers of any sport are casual observers, not fans in the sense I think you're using it. I enjoy watching the tennis grand slams, but I'm not a tennis fan and couldn't care less what happens when Wimbledon isn't on, and I'm an above-average consumer of sports. Proper sumo enthusiasts are far outnumbered by people who watch a bit here and there.

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I hope that J11e Shimanoumi (10-1) faces the four Juryo rikishi that are currently 8-3 over the last four days.

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So after crushing jun-yusho contenders Yago and Chiyonokuni, Ikioi loses to 0-10 Daishomaru of all people.

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And Yago lets yet another opportunity to KK slip through his fingers. What's up with him? 

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8 hours ago, dingo said:

This just doubly underscores how lucky Hakuho has been to avoid any career-crippling injuries. If something along the lines of Ura/Chiyonokuni/Kotoyuuki had happened to him before I doubt he would've broken the numerous records he has. 

It's not just luck in my opinion. I've always said that the ability to avoid injuries is a major part of the whole package called "talent".

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22 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

And Yago lets yet another opportunity to KK slip through his fingers. What's up with him? 

Started out strong, but doesn't have the stamina yet for the top divison

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10 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

It's not just luck in my opinion. I've always said that the ability to avoid injuries is a major part of the whole package called "talent".

Hakuho has avoided major injuries by avoiding the situations that result in them. How often have we seen him tossed into the front row or crushed under an opponent's weight until his knees buckle? Not much, and that's because he's quite good at sumo.

Sumo is a funny sport in that the more you lose, the more likely you are to get hurt, which makes it more likely that you'll lose again as your body doesn't recover. It's a spiral. Basically, to avoid injury, never get injured.

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5 minutes ago, mt fuji said:

Started out strong, but doesn't have the stamina yet for the top divison

He looks like he has an injury.   He gave up his bout way too soon as if his leg gave up.

Speaking of injury, Yoshikaze may be carrying one, too.   He didn't even try against Endo today. 

And Mita should not have ended his kyujo.   He's seen hobbling still and Hak will make a short work of him today.   Why risk getting even a bigger injury?   Sigh.

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7 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

He looks like he has an injury.   He gave up his bout way too soon as if his leg gave up.

Speaking of injury, Yoshikaze may be carrying one, too.   He didn't even try against Endo today. 

And Mita should not have ended his kyujo.   He's seen hobbling still and Hak will make a short work of him today.   Why risk getting even a bigger injury?   Sigh.

Yesterday too he seemed to ease up with a good yard or more between him and the tawara. Maybe saving himself for a straightforward 8th win rather than risking aggravating an injury in a tight contest.

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1 hour ago, Eikokurai said:

Yesterday too he seemed to ease up with a good yard or more between him and the tawara.

I noticed that, too. 

 

Takakeisho got a hard fought win against Hokutofuji.  Can he 3 of the 4 remaining bouts to secure his Ozeki promotion?    His going 2-2 is more likely scenario which will be veeeeeerrry interesting.   At least one thing is for sure.  Kintamayama san is wrong in predicting Takakeisho will MK.  

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Woah! Nicely done, Mitakeumi. Can't see it affecting the yusho race much, but still. His plan was just to come back to win the shukun-sho, wasn't it?

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6 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Woah! Nicely done, Mitakeumi. Can't see it affecting the yusho race much, but still. His plan was just to come back to win the shukun-sho, wasn't it?

And I was saying Mita shouldn't have comeback from kyujo against Hak.   What do I know?  Chagrin.

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Oh man. Mitakeumi was not putting much of any weight on his left leg while pushing, and Hakuho uncharacteristically offers no resistance at the tawara, when any juryo rikishi would dig in and twist aite down. That was, well, suspicious.

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1 minute ago, Otokonoyama said:

Oh man. Mitakeumi was not putting much of any weight on his left leg while pushing, and Hakuho uncharacteristically offers no resistance at the tawara, when any juryo rikishi would dig in and twist aite down. That was, well, suspicious.

Haha. A thought did flash across my mind during the replay that Hakuho might have let that one slide, not wanting to injure Mitakeumi and knowing the yusho is basically his anyway.

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20 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

A thought did flash across my mind during the replay that Hakuho might have let that one slide, not wanting to injure Mitakeumi and knowing the yusho is basically his anyway.

Another way of looking at it is that Hakuho let the fact that Mitakeumi was injured get into his mind, and hence did not expect much resistance.  Certainly, his lack of offence may well have been the result of a fear of injuring an apparently weakened opponent.  But as with many things, people sometimes let their own skill level drop to the perceived lower skill level of the person with whom they are dealing.

I think Hakuho was gunning for a zensho yusho in this tournament, and a temporary loss of drive ... cost him.

Mitakeumi looked very much not OK after the fight, despite what he said in the post-match interview.  On one hand, his early return to competition may have cost him in terms of aggravating his thigh injury, but he picked up a nice stack of 33 kensho envelopes and he brought some interest back into the tournament vis-à-vis the outcome.  

The zabuton shower (one of the biggest I've seen in a while) showed what the fans thought of that outcome.  Hakuho sure dropped the ball on that one.

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2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

And Yago lets yet another opportunity to KK slip through his fingers. What's up with him? 

He looks really tired. He went hard week one and has run out of puff.

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41 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

Another way of looking at it is that Hakuho let the fact that Mitakeumi was injured get into his mind, and hence did not expect much resistance.  Certainly, his lack of offence may well have been the result of a fear of injuring an apparently weakened opponent.  But as with many things, people sometimes let their own skill level drop to the perceived lower skill level of the person with whom they are dealing.

 

Mitakeumi can be a bit erratic but even injured he is too good to underestimate. If Hak did so then he didn't give his opponent the respect he deserved. Or maybe Mitakeumi just beat him fair and square?

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11 minutes ago, Morty said:

He looks really tired. He went hard week one and has run out of puff.

I’ve always been skeptical about this. How much stamina does one really need to fight for ten seconds a day? Rikishi train for hours every morning so they can’t be completely without endurance. And they train exclusively to take part in 15-day basho, so that surely is what they condition themselves for.

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Enho vs Gagamaru...

MISELET SUMO

Enho's been finding his larger opponents a bit more difficult to deal with this basho. I think he needs to ask Mainoumi for a bit more advice (Laughing...)

 

On the other hand, I'm absolutely gutted for Ura. The same injury has returned.. just as he started to climb the banzuke in great fashion. I know he's still young, but the recovery process will surely be timely and even then he will essentially be wrestling with a knee that has been damaged twice. I'm really, really worried for him:-(

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10 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

I’ve always been skeptical about this. How much stamina does one really need to fight for ten seconds a day? Rikishi train for hours every morning so they can’t be completely without endurance. 

Sure but they stay out all night drinking beer and sake with sponsors during the basho, and for Yago in his first Makuuchi basho there will have been a few sleepless nights and lots of nervous energy in the first week. They train in the morning because its expected of them but maybe they shouldn't? I don't know, but I looked at him and my first thought was "he looks buggered"

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