Takanoiwa hits his tsukebito

[Benevolance 2,508]

12 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Several pro wrestling and other fighting organizations apparently show interest in Takanoiwa.

He couldn't possibly do worse that Osunaarashi. 

[Akinomaki 40,703]

Today MioMio has quite a lot videos missing, I give just an overview about the length and guest of today's better wide shows (I have added search links for some proper news programs to the list)

Miyane-ya 47min, with Daishi

GogoSmile 1h, with Ishinriki

HiruObi about 1h in all, Goody about 75 min, Viking the same, but the last 30min are crap

 

latest news: Shinsou News, the full 1 h, with Daishi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUH0KMiYqEw

[Asapedroryu 235]

Out of curiosity, are there any known cases of a sekitori beating his tsuk and the tsuk reacts beating the crap out of the sekitori?

[Amamaniac 2,079]

In the following article (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2018/12/07/sumo/takanoiwa-retires-following-recent-assault-stablemate/#.XArhDy2ZN3k), Shibatayama claims:

“The association has been working for a long time on a solution to the problem of violence,” Shibatayama said. “It is important to respond promptly and to make sure it does not happen again.”

I want what he's smoking!

[robnplunder 975]

Intai is too good for violent offenses be it Takanoiwa or anybody else.   My two cents

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

I wonder if and when the media will ask Kisenosato for his thoughts on the matter. After all, a Takanoiwa win over Hakuho on Day 14 of the 2017 Hatsu Basho secured him his long-awaited and crucial hatsu yusho to finally close the deal on a tsunatori run. 

 

[robnplunder 975]

10 minutes ago, Otokonoyama said:

I wonder if and when the media will ask Kisenosato for his thoughts on the matter. After all, a Takanoiwa win over Hakuho on Day 14 of the 2017 Hatsu Basho secured him his long-awaited and crucial hatsu yusho to finally close the deal on a tsunatori run. 

 

It would be more interesting for media to ask Harumafuji if they haven't asked already.   Would Harumafuji say "I told you so?"   

 

[Fay 1,677]

I know Takanoiwa from his beginnings and watched him closely all the time, almost 10 years. 

I got to know him as a nice, polite and humble guy with a great sense of humor. He never showed any disrespect to me, my friends or other people around, neither as a lower division guy nor as a sekitori. 

But i realized that something changed in the last    two years. You couldn’t rely on him any more and when there always was a bright smile on his face, he now looked grumpy. I had the impression that all started with his friend Terunofuji becoming Ozeki. Maybe he got jealous and unsatisfied with his own career. 

I was shocked about his behavior in the Harumafuji case and I’m even more shocked now with poor Takataisho  

No excuse for Takanoiwa but I’m sad to see a talented rikishi retire in such a way. 

[Gurowake 4,096]

I wonder how much Takanoiwa getting that kinboshi led to his change in attitude.  When I was active in competitive stuff, beating someone better than me (in general) made me feel like I was the best ever and that it was a matter of time before everyone would recognize it.  It would last until I regressed to the norm, leaving me feeling depressed, to the point that now I don't like doing things that are directly competitive (sumo gaming is completely different) for fear of the same sorts of emotions getting a hold of me.  I personally expected Takanoiwa to get a KK this past basho, and he presumably did as well given how well he had been doing and that he was still low enough ranked to not face the top guys, and he probably felt humiliated by not getting it this time.  I don't know how much any of this situation had to do with these sorts of emotions, but it sorta plays into the same kind of narrative that I felt while competing.

[Kintamayama 45,484]

12 hours ago, Benihana said:

That's why they will do everything to deny him the danpatsu-shiki.

So much for that.. His danpatsushiki will be held at the Kokugikan right after Hatsu, in February. A real danpatsushiki, center stage. Anyone who has at least 30 bashos as a sekitori qualifies for that, and he does.

Edited December 8, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 45,484]

The victim Takataishou  was seen training this morning as usual and even laughing and trading banter with his fellow rikishi. As stated before, he has no intention of quitting. Earlier, he said he was sorry Takanoiwa is retiring and that he thought the fact he (Takataishou..) had apologized would be enough to  move on."We are training as usual. Everything is as usual," summed Chiganoura Oyakata.

Takataishou superstar:

Edited December 8, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 45,484]

40 years old veteran Aminishiki was asked about the affair.  "I am disappointed. We're all doing our best to tackle the violence and he comes along and ruins everything, not only for the rikishi but for the sumo world as a whole, just as Takakeishou got his yusho and things were looking up.. One person apologizing won't make this problem go away. We don't own the tsukebito. They look after our needs and in return, we're supposed to help them grow," he said. Of course, behind all this is the fact that his ex-stablemate Harumafuji was in the exact same position a year ago.

Edited December 8, 2018 by Kintamayama

[robnplunder 975]

4 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

40 years old veteran Aminishiki was asked about the affair.  "I am disappointed. We're all doing our best to tackle the violence and he comes along and ruins everything, not only for the rikishi but for the sumo world as a whole, just as Takakeishou got his yusho and things were looking up.One person apologizing won't make this problem go away. We don't own the tsukebito. They look after our needs and in return, we're supposed to help them grow," he said.

Very well said, Aminishiki.   Violence like this can't be excused in this day and age.   

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

 

 

[Kamitsuumi 402]

Chiganoura oyakata suggests Takanoiwa's danpatsushiki to be scheduled for mid-February at the Kokugikan.

Edited December 8, 2018 by Kamitsuumi

[Kotomiyama 174]

2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

40 years old veteran Aminishiki was asked about the affair.  "I am disappointed. We're all doing our best to tackle the violence and he comes along and ruins everything, not only for the rikishi but for the sumo world as a whole, just as Takakeishou got his yusho and things were looking up.. One person apologizing won't make this problem go away. We don't own the tsukebito. They look after our needs and in return, we're supposed to help them grow," he said. Of course, behind all this is the fact that his ex-stablemate Harumafuji was in the exact same position a year ago.

Reassuring words from Aminishiki. Interesting how he remarks the two-way realtionship as others have pointed before.

I did not like Takanoiwa, but I dislike more seeing a rishiki being forced to retire.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

40 years old veteran Aminishiki was asked about the affair.  "I am disappointed. We're all doing our best to tackle the violence and he comes along and ruins everything, not only for the rikishi but for the sumo world as a whole, just as Takakeishou got his yusho and things were looking up.. One person apologizing won't make this problem go away. We don't own the tsukebito. They look after our needs and in return, we're supposed to help them grow," he said. Of course, behind all this is the fact that his ex-stablemate Harumafuji was in the exact same position a year ago.

Candid words there, at least as far as the usually taciturn world of sumo is concerned. Aminishiki is a proper legend. I suppose at his age he can afford to speak plainly without much care.

[Akinomaki 40,703]

18 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Several pro wrestling and other fighting organizations apparently show interest in Takanoiwa.

Of course to play the heel - Atsushi Onita (who has retired 7 times and returned 7 times so far, the one who beat up Takatoriki to have him do his debut fight against him):

"He can't go back to Mongolia, or can he?" "I hate Takanoiwa"

... "and that shows that you have the quality to become the bad guy, come to pro wrestling!" "Don't go to RIZIN, become the mega-heel"

Onita is such a mega-heel - and a friend of Harumafuji.

list of the main makuuchi and above rikishi to become pro-fighter

http://www.hochi.co.jp/sports/sumo/20181207-OHT1T50341.html

(Maybe Takanoiwa should rather try to find a job in a Mongolian restaurant in Tokyo)

 

18 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

latest news: Shinsou News, the full 1 h, with Daishi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUH0KMiYqEw

NNN news puts Shinso News on the net - just the main 42min. part and better quality

vid

Edited December 8, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 40,703]

Will the retirement money for Takanoiwa payed in full or get reduced, like it happened for Harumafuji?

 

The main part, the 力士養老金 rikishi yourou-kin(-money): 7.03 million yen for 20 basho in makuuchi and 4 million yen for 20 basho in juryo,

the additional money for continuous service as sekitori 勤続金 kinzoku-kasan-kin: 3 million yen each for the 20 basho each in makuuchi and juryo,

plus the rest of the kensho money, from the 26 700yen now the NSK keeps for the rikishi, minus the part already spent to pay for taxes:

17.03 million yen + kensho

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2018/12/08/kiji/20181208s00005000090000c.html

usually reduced would be the merit bonus - that only goes to yokozuna and ozeki

Edited December 8, 2018 by Akinomaki

[rhyen 1,844]

11 hours ago, Fay said:

I know Takanoiwa from his beginnings and watched him closely all the time, almost 10 years. 

I got to know him as a nice, polite and humble guy with a great sense of humor. He never showed any disrespect to me, my friends or other people around, neither as a lower division guy nor as a sekitori. 

But i realized that something changed in the last    two years. You couldn’t rely on him any more and when there always was a bright smile on his face, he now looked grumpy. I had the impression that all started with his friend Terunofuji becoming Ozeki. Maybe he got jealous and unsatisfied with his own career. 

I was shocked about his behavior in the Harumafuji case and I’m even more shocked now with poor Takataisho  

No excuse for Takanoiwa but I’m sad to see a talented rikishi retire in such a way. 

What behavior? He was under hospital “arrest”?

[Fay 1,677]

1 hour ago, rhyen said:

What behavior? He was under hospital “arrest”?

I was talking about bis behavior towards the Yokozuna when Harumafuji hit him.  

[robnplunder 975]

5 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

 

(Maybe Takanoiwa should rather try to find a job in a Mongolian restaurant in Tokyo)

 

Slapping a customer is a no-no in Japan.  He should try finding a bouncer job for a night club.   That is *the* ideal job for Takanoiwa.   Of course, when Harumafuji comes to the club ...

Edited December 8, 2018 by robnplunder

[robnplunder 975]

BTW, that's 3 top Mongolian rikishi who are out of Makuuchi for good: Harumafuji, Terunofuji, and Takanoiwa.   Once Kak & Hak go, the Mongolian dominance will be over for a while.

[Akinomaki 40,703]

The NSK will quickly hold the next lessons against violence, they want to show that they are serious and react promptly:

at each heya the shisho will tell the sekitori how to treat the tsukebito:

1. the tsukebito is not your maid, but the deshi of the shisho, and the shisho entrust him to you for guidance

2. Never use violence against the tsukebito. Sekitori and tsukebito have to feel mutual gratitude when they work together

3. Don't have the tsukebito go around with you till late at night. Take care that there is no negative effect on next day's morning keiko for the tsukebito

4. The conduct of the sekitori has to be a positive example for the tsukebito

and on the 19th, during the jungyo break, the next lesson on violence will be held at the kokugikan (was planned for February), same subject: tsukebito

http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/201812080000810.html

still nobody tells the shisho not to mistreat the tsukebito (and other deshi)

Edited December 8, 2018 by Akinomaki

[ALAKTORN 346]

5 hours ago, robnplunder said:

BTW, that's 3 top Mongolian rikishi who are out of Makuuchi for good: Harumafuji, Terunofuji, and Takanoiwa.   Once Kak & Hak go, the Mongolian dominance will be over for a while.

I thought you were gonna mention that 3 Mongolians got outed after violent outbursts. Asashōryū, Harumafuji, Takanoiwa. Am I being racist and forgetting similar Japanese incidents or not? I mean since Asashōryū, not before.