Kyushu Basho 2018 Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Akinomaki 39,581]

Takakeisho had the parade with his 4-11 m13 new heya mate Takanosho - old heya mate m6 Takanoiwa was also mk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amEiy5IcP10&t=2m

The papers celebrate this as Takakeisho givng back a yusho to Takanohana, without him saying anything like that, just that he told Taka the news on the phone.

This looks like he rather wants to hold up his new heya, like in the now often reused pic with the signboard.

With this komusubi yusho, TakaKShadow is a loyal follower of Taka, in that Taka is one of the few who did that so far. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=k&form1_y=on&form1_m=on

 

Edited November 25, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 39,581]

Onomatsu chief shimpan is cautious about declaring the ozeki run open, unlike PR man Shibatayama days ago. "Looking at the wins and the content of the sumo. (... the possibility is) not 0."

Hakkaku rijicho similar: "After watching next basho. I want to see a basho with all yokozuna."

http://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2018112500506&g=spo

Edited November 25, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Gurowake 3,886]

Tamawashi at 9-6 M2w should be enough to force Mitakeumi down from Sekiwake.  The times we've seen a Sekiwake East stay there with 7 wins, there was no one worthy by-the-numbers of Komusubi promotion.  Similarly when Tochinoshin stayed Komusubi with 7 wins, there was no one even worthy of an M1 promotion.  So Tamawashi having a clear claim to Komusubi by one full rank over the minimum by-the-numbers should be fine.

[Benihana 1,900]

1 hour ago, Kishinoyama said:

A lot of talk about Takakeisho and an Ozeki run but is Takayasu on a Yokozuna run? 11-4 and now a 12-3 runner up performance. Does a yusho in January get him a Yokozuna promotion?

A jun-yusho where he had to fight only 1 battered ozeki close to going kyujo/kadoban, while the yusho was grabbed by a 22 y/o komusubi n00b? That's far from equivalent. Not even he had lost that in a ketteisen.

[Gurowake 3,886]

At least he was in the Yusho race until the last match of the tournament, unlike his previous 12-3s.  I don't think he'll have enough of a case for an immediate promotion with a zensho, but it certainly can help if he has two more 12+ win tournaments with a 13-14 win Yusho somewhere in there.

[Benihana 1,900]

3 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

At least he was in the Yusho race until the last match of the tournament, unlike his previous 12-3s.  I don't think he'll have enough of a case for an immediate promotion with a zensho, but it certainly can help if he has two more 12+ win tournaments with a 13-14 win Yusho somewhere in there.

He never had more than 12 wins, so zensho is a really far stretch. And if this really happens (nopenopenope), i'd go POSTAL, if i were Kisenosato.

[Philioyamfugi 378]

Im pretty sure none of us expected Takayasu to lose...but hes got lots pf gas left. Hes more Yokozuna material than any of the others. .imho 

 

[Highway 46]

Wow what an ending. I actually felt quite bad for Takayasu at the end. But at the same time very happy for Takayasu, I could sense a few basho ago there was something special about him, and here it is paying off already. Of course he'll have to show consistency when the yokozuna are back next time around, but he sure seems to have greatness ahead of him.

Shout out to Shohozan and Tochinoshin as well, they went to war or what.

My man Aoyiama his best performance in a long time it sure feels like.

Very good basho, really enjoyed it.

[robnplunder 974]

3 hours ago, Shinrei said:

West Sekiwake, methinks.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=S1e&form1_wins=mk&form2_rank=S1w

But, I could be wrong...

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=s1e&form1_wins=7&form2_year=>1998

If they don't give someone like Tamawashi (9-6) the S1w rank, I reckon Mita can stay on as S1w.  After all, Mita beat Tamawashi in this basho if the committee considers such as a deciding factor.  Either way (K or S), it is a huge disappointment for Mita and his fans including me.   He lost a chance at  an yusho when all Yokozuna were kyujo and extending his Ozeki run.   

Edited November 25, 2018 by robnplunder

[Shinrei 47]

38 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Either way (K or S), it is a huge disappointment for Mita and his fans including me.   He lost a chance at  an yusho when all Yokozuna were kyujo and extending his Ozeki run.   

I understand that. On the bright side for this honbasho, he won over both Takakeisho and Takayasu.

He's 25 (going on 26 -- doesn't he come across as younger??) and been pro for only about four and half years. There should be ample time for him to rebound. I'm realizing that, win or lose, getting over nervousness enough, being able to relax, and get enough rest (not just sleep) to handle a 15-day match . . . can be a big part of success in ozumo.

[Amamaniac 2,078]

23 hours ago, dingo said:

The one thing that's different is that Takakeisho's sumo is very different from the three you mentioned, and imo is much more susceptible to injuries and just ageing in general. While he may very well reach the very to ranks, I'm a bit concerned how long he will be able to stay there. Yes, Chiyotaikai stayed fairly long, but he was quite pitiful by the end. 

(Chiyotairyu's- my mistake) Chiyotaikai's oshizumo was rather weak at the end of his career.  Agreed.

As for Takakeisho.  At this stage, he is by all appearances completely devoid of injury.  When was the last time you saw a Top Division wrestler without some taping, supporter, or metal brace?  Yeah, there have been one or two.  But the fact that Takakeisho isn't one of them suggests to me that his body type (i.e., short, strong limbs) is well suited to take the punishing effects of sumo wrestling.  ... I only worry about his long toe nails.  The NHK broadcast kept panning from his feet to his head during almost every bout of the latter part of this tournament, and that was the only thing that puzzled me.  Why hasn't he twisted his toes on the ring like Aoiyama did on Day 13?

Edited November 26, 2018 by Amamaniac

[Amamaniac 2,078]

8 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

I prefer the Japanese coverage, too, actually. There’s something about it that feels more ‘present’. I can’t explain it. The English commentary sort of sits over the top of the action, whereas the Japanese feels like it’s part of the scene. It’s ambience. Not sure if that makes any sense.

I am with you on the Japanese coverage.  (Mind you, for those who don't have any Japanese, the English commentary would definitely be welcome.)  I watched the final half of the Senshuraku bouts on NHK World (@mbovosumo) and was disappointed that that broadcast did not provide the results from the previous six tournaments for each torikumi.  More upsetting for me, however, was that the two commentators – who know a great deal about sumo technique, really messed up when they were explaining what happened in the Shohozan v. Tochinoshin bout!  First they claimed that Shikimori Kandayu got the call wrong.  Then they went on and claimed that the chief shimpan made the wrong pronouncement.  Luckily, the camera replays helped clear up what really happened...  Sigh.

[Kintamayama 44,275]

29 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

Chiyotairyu's oshizumo was rather weak at the end of his career.  Agreed.

 

He retired?

[Kotomiyama 161]

Takakeisho yusho! His first and surely not his last. I agree with the opinion that he can be Ozeki in the future, but no more.

I feel sad for Takayasu. He has everything to succeed... but he never seems to have enough of it. With the Yokozunas kyujo, Goeido injured and Tochinoshin underperforfing, he probably thought that it was his moment to shine. Let's hope that he is able to find what little extra he needs to win his first yusho and then we can start talking about a future Yokozuna.

[dingo 1,133]

35 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

When was the last time you saw a Top Division wrestler without some taping, supporter, or metal brace?  Yeah, there have been one or two. 

Funny, I was watching one of Ryuden's bouts the other day and was thinking the same. I didn't notice Takakeisho having none either, but you're right, there are very few rikishi who don't have any. 

[Benihana 1,900]

40 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

I only worry about his long toe nails.

Micro T-Rex needs claws *raaawr*

[Amamaniac 2,078]

39 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

He retired?

Whoops!  I was totally thinking Chiyotaikai.  Sorry.

Edited November 25, 2018 by Amamaniac

[Dapeng 232]

4 hours ago, Benihana said:

A jun-yusho where he had to fight only 1 battered ozeki close to going kyujo/kadoban, while the yusho was grabbed by a 22 y/o komusubi n00b? That's far from equivalent. Not even he had lost that in a ketteisen.

Agree. With 3 yokozunas away and 2 ozeki weakened, even the yusho is of low level, not to say the jun-yusho. 

[yutarotanaka 104]

Takayasu is kind of running in the same trajectory as his heyamate senpai Kisenosato. This year he had many runner-up finishes. Maybe next year he can string up the needed wins to finally capture that elusive yusho cup. All the best to him. Congrats to Takakeisho!

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

 

[Kishinoyama 582]

One of the guys I have been following is Tokuda from Musashigawa Heya: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12333

He has been moving up the banzuke at a fairly steady pace. His only loss this time was to some guy you might know by the name of Ura. Since Musashikuni seems to have hit a wall in Makushita (Although he had a fine Kyushu tournament going 5-1-1), I am wondering if Tokuda can eventually pass Musashikuni and be the heyagashira. 

[robnplunder 974]

6 hours ago, Shinrei said:

He's 25 (going on 26 -- doesn't he come across as younger??) and been pro for only about four and half years. There should be ample time for him to rebound. I'm realizing that, win or lose, getting over nervousness enough, being able to relax, and get enough rest (not just sleep) to handle a 15-day match . . . can be a big part of success in ozumo.

True, Mita has prime years of sumo left in him.   OTOH, pro athletes often reach their technical peak by early 20's.   After that, it comes down to experience, and in sumo's case, gaining size as well.   I sure hope Mita figures out where to go from this basho.   

 

[808morgan 805]

7 hours ago, Shinrei said:

I understand that. On the bright side for this honbasho, he won over both Takakeisho and Takayasu.

He's 25 (going on 26 -- doesn't he come across as younger??) and been pro for only about four and half years. There should be ample time for him to rebound. I'm realizing that, win or lose, getting over nervousness enough, being able to relax, and get enough rest (not just sleep) to handle a 15-day match . . . can be a big part of success in ozumo.

Yeah it's strange how he wasn't doing well in some matches and yet he beat both the front runners. I was thinking he was hurt or something, but by the end he was doing well again.

[808morgan 805]

5 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

I am with you on the Japanese coverage.  (Mind you, for those who don't have any Japanese, the English commentary would definitely be welcome.)  I watched the final half of the Senshuraku bouts on NHK World (@mbovosumo) and was disappointed that that broadcast did not provide the results from the previous six tournaments for each torikumi.  More upsetting for me, however, was that the two commentators – who know a great deal about sumo technique, really messed up when they were explaining what happened in the Shohozan v. Tochinoshin bout!  First they claimed that Shikimori Kandayu got the call wrong.  Then they went on and claimed that the chief shimpan made the wrong pronouncement.  Luckily, the camera replays helped clear up what really happened...  Sigh.

However the Abema coverage is annoying with Japanese rap music etc... NHK is good and I always watched it in Japan. Someone had it streaming last night on Youtube so I watched until I fell asleep, not long after Juryo so I watched Moti's as usual for the end.

[apraxin 56]

Oof - the post-basho YDC meeting today handed down a formal resolution of 'Encouragement' for Kisenosato, chairman Kitamura citing his performance and saying that he should be showing physical strength and ability comensurate with his position and 'the disappointment of the fans who had earnestly hoped for his recovery at the Kyushu basho was great':

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20181126/k10011723551000.html

Sounds like they may be running out of patience.