Kyushu Basho 2018 Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Rocks 1,805]

Finally! The match up we have all been waiting for will occur on day 12,  Hidenoumi  vs  Chiyomaru.

[Bumpkin 438]

Typical Day 13 bouts are, instead, taking place on Day 12. O1e Goeido (7-3) v S1e Mitakeumi (5-5) and O2w Tochinoshin (5-5) v O1w Takayasu (8-2). Also, K1e Takakeisho (9-1) v M2w Tamawashi (6-4). I, assume, Takakeisho will face the Ozekis on Days 13-15. 

Edited November 21, 2018 by Bumpkin

[WAKATAKE 2,624]

1 minute ago, Bumpkin said:

Typical Day 13 bouts are, instead, taking place on Day 12. O1e Goeido (7-3) v S1e Mitakeumi (5-5) and O2w Tochinoshin (5-5) v O1w Takayasu (8-2). Also, K1e Takakeisho (9-1) v M2w Tamawashi (6-4). I, assume, Takakeisho will face the Ozekis on Days 13-15. 

Takakeisho has already faced all of sanyaku save for Takayasu. Hence why they are really changing schedules around.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

1 hour ago, WAKATAKE said:

Wow he came out of nowhere

Hmm. He started 2018 with back-to-back jun-yusho and hasn’t recorded fewer than 9 wins in a basho he’s attended all year. Sitting out Haru is what dragged his numbers down, otherwise he’s actually looking at a pretty strong 12 months. He’ll probably get double-digits in Kyushu without much trouble, too. In fact, take out Haru and he’s basically been on an Ozeki run the whole time. Tochinoshin’s rise, Kakuryu’s return to form and Kisenosato’s struggles have taken some of the attention off him, but anyone who was awake shouldn’t be surprised to see he’s in contention. :)

Edited November 21, 2018 by Eikokurai

[Bumpkin 438]

1 minute ago, WAKATAKE said:

Takakeisho has already faced all of sanyaku save for Takayasu. Hence why they are really changing schedules around.

You are correct, sir. Perhaps, Takakeisho v Takayasu on Day 15.

[Bumpkin 438]

2 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

 Hence why they are really changing schedules around.

No. Typically, the Top 4 do a round robin on Days 13-15. They are starting this on Day 12.

[WAKATAKE 2,624]

4 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

No. Typically, the Top 4 do a round robin on Days 13-15. They are starting this on Day 12.

I'm aware of that. But during irregular times they may change things up a bit. IE Takakeisho leading the way.

[Gurowake 3,886]

There's two good reasons for why they changed up the round-robin schedule:  First, they want to wait on assigning the last maegashira match of the Ozeki that still get them in order to potentially test those in the yusho race beyond giving them Takakeisho, who will be free the rest of the tournament except for Takayasu - which leads to the other reason: as the two most likely to win at this point, they're going to postpone what would normally be their Day 12 match a day or possibly two for drama.  Caught in this is Ichinojo's match with Goeido being postponed until the same day as the leaders' match. 

However, even if there are no Yokozuna, it would be odd for them to not have the highest ranked wrestlers possible fighting the last match, so I suspect that Goeido-Takayasu will still be the last match of the tournament.  They could alternately having Goeido vs. Tochinoshin as the last match of the tournament so as to have Takayasu-Takakeisho on senshuraku (which would leave Mitakeumi free instead of Takakeisho), but I think they still would prefer to have the second-to-last match be between two rikishi of the highest ranks possible.  We'll see what they do for Day 13.  If it's Mitakeumi vs. Takayasu and Goeido vs. Ichinojo, then they're almost certainly going to save Takayasu-Takakeisho until senshuraku.  If they do anything more conventional, it's highly unlikely.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Gurowake

[Gurowake 3,886]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

There's two good reasons for why they changed up the round-robin schedule:  First, they want to wait on assigning the last maegashira match of the Ozeki that still get them in order to potentially test those in the yusho race beyond giving them Takakeisho, who will be free the rest of the tournament except for Takayasu

I looked at this more, and this is a much worse reason than I thought.  Takayasu and Goeido have no maegashira opponents left unless one of their future sanyaku opponents withdraws.  Tochinoshin is the only Ozeki with a maegashira opponent left, though he may still get brought down the banzuke a bit to face someone already KK instead of 5-5 or the like.

[Kintamayama 44,275]

Toyonoshima kachikoshi already. Good sign. And in the yusho race of course.

Gagamaru got his KK at Makushita 1 today, so barring a real surprise, he's back in Juryo.

Soukokurai 6-0 at Makushita 5. Next basho probably back to sekitori, on his way back to Makuuchi.

Ura 6-0 at Sandanme 33. Probably aced his Makushita promotion already.

Houshouryuu 5-1 at Makushita 49

Naya 4-2 at Sandanme 11, Makushita next basho.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Amamaniac 2,078]

At what point are they going to feed contenders Daieisho, Aoiyama, and Onosho to the sharks (i.e., Ozekis).  Frankly, I would have liked to see Aoiyama v. Ichinojo on Day 12, rather than Ryuden v. Ichinojo, for example...  At least they are pitting Onosho against Daieisho on that day: that will help separate the men from the boys.  But for one of the aforementioned hiramaku contenders to win a yusho, generally speaking they have to prove in at least one bout that they can defeat a sanyaku opponent – ideally speaking IMHO.  

[robnplunder 974]

9 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Toyonoshima kachikoshi already. Good sign. And in the yusho race of course.

Soukokurai 6-0 at Makushita 5. Next basho probably back to sekitori, on his way back to Makuuchi.

Ura 6-0 at Sandanme 33. Probably aced his Makushita promotion already.

All good news.   2 or 3 yushos from the aforementioned 3 would be better.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

Only the 32nd tsukihiza in makuuchi history in the Chiyotairyu–Tochinoshin bout, although they’re not as rare as I thought. That’s actually the fourth one this year and Chiyotairyu’s second. Incredibly he’s lost that way four times in his career!

Edited November 21, 2018 by Eikokurai

[Jakusotsu 5,761]

Poor dohyo. Ichinojo's knee was too much.

[Rocks 1,805]

21 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Poor dohyo. Ichinojo's knee was too much.

Asking it to take Ichinojo's and Chiyotairyu's knee so close together was too much for it. 

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

19 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Poor dohyo. Ichinojo's knee was too much.

This is related to something I've wondered for a long time now. The yobidashi use watering cans to occasionally sprinkle water inside the tawara from time to time throughout the day, presumably to keep both the sand and clay from drying out. After the day's matches are done, they cover the dohyo with a tarp until the following morning. While they do give the top of the dohyo a final sweep and the inside of the ring a final sprinkle before the tarp comes out, they do not wet the top of the dohyo outside the ring, nor the sides. And as we can see, it get's progressively drier and more cracked as the basho progresses. Why not sprinkle the whole dohyo before covering for the night?

[Morty 1,480]

Endo worked out how to get inside the Abi windmill and once he did that Abi didn't have much else to give. Ryuden and Nishikigi both showing excellent resilience this basho and both doing better than I thought they would do in the meatgrinder, especially Nishikigi.

Daieisho for the yusho!

[mikawa 1,794]

Ichinojo got Takayasu right where he wanted, but his footwork wasn't quick enough to finish the job.

Edited November 21, 2018 by mikawa

[Amamaniac 2,078]

26 minutes ago, mikawa said:

Ichinojo got Takayasu right where he wanted, but his footwork wasn't quick enough to finish the job.

I was rather amazed that Ichinojo actually showed up for that bout, unlike other bouts.  But then I realised that he was fighting to avoid makekoshi.  Good try, but he should have fought like that earlier in the tournament when his opponents weren't ranked Ozeki.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Amamaniac

[Kamitsuumi 384]

3 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Only the 32nd tsukihiza in makuuchi history in the Chiyotairyu–Tochinoshin bout, although they’re not as rare as I thought. That’s actually the fourth one this year and Chiyotairyu’s second. Incredibly he’s lost that way four times in his career!

Tochinoshin knocked him out with a left-hand harite actually. No kimarite for that 

[Dwale 419]

43 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

I was rather amazed that Ichinojo actually showed up for that bout, unlike other bouts.  But then I realised that he was fighting to avoid makekoshi.  Good try, but he should have fought like that earlier in the tournament when his opponents weren't ranked Ozeki.

If he fought that hard in every match, he would BE an ozeki.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

I liked Kaisei’s Hakuho impression* today. A valiant effort to stay on his feet.

 

*Day 15, Aki 2012 against a zensho-pursuing Harumafuji. One of the greatest bouts of all time.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Eikokurai

[maorencze 144]

Tochiozan had a reasonably good idea (hunting for the belt), except Takakeisho was visibly leaving an opening on purpose (defend fiercely twice and then open up, I really think it was on purpose) while retreating just enough for Tochiozan to have to compromise his balance more.

I hate the kid, can't stand his face and all (like, KO'ing a fellow sekitori during training, seriously? Not to mention that nasty thing he did to Ura back in Juryo...coupled with his usual bearing, not bothering to bow properly or even look if your opponent is OK after giving him a "healthy" dame-oshi, which he does often...Yeah, real "class") but still stand by my previously stated opinion that out of this batch of Next Gen, Takakeisho will be the first Yokozuna and it's not that far away in future. 

[Chojin 18]

I had an enjoyable day at the basho day, didn't really try to seek out autographs but still was lucky to meet and get some 色紙 signed by hakkaku, tatsunami, tatekawa, ikazuchi, and mihogaseki . Tomorrow I will try to get some more. 

 

 

[Asapedroryu 227]

Wasn't Ichinojo robbed of at least a do-over?

Yes, his foot was out first, but where is the rule of the attacker has advantage that the judges like to use to do a do-over or even give the win to the guy that steps out first?