Kyushu Basho 2018 Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Eikokurai 3,433]

14 minutes ago, Morty said:

Pretty rotten of Chiyoshoma to throw Onosho AFTER they were outside the dohyo AND down on the floor amongst the spectators.

I haven’t seen it, but “rotten” and Chiyoshouma go together often enough that I imagine he did something really terrible.

[robnplunder 974]

25 minutes ago, mikawa said:

Takakeisho, aka Sato Takanobu, was born in Ashiya City in Hyogo Prefecture. He was named after 2 popular Japanese figures, the Taka from Takanohana (his former oyakata) and the Nobu from Oda Nobunaga, a famous warlord from the sengoku period. He studied karate from a very young age until 3rd Grade, when he lost in a national final due to what might have been considered a questionable call. Because of this, Sato decided to practise sumo instead.

In 5th Grade, he once again reached a national final, this time at the 23rd Wanpaku Tournament, only to lose to the massive Yamamoto Masakatsu. He did however produce one of the shocks of the tournament in the semi-final, which you can see at the 7:46 mark here. This opponent he would once again face at the last 16 stage in Grade 6, where he got a moro-zashi grip, but ultimately was thrown to the ground.

Three years later, he would win the National Middle School Championships to become the 40th Middle School Yokozuna, beating Utetsu Fumiya (aka Onosho) in the final. Moving on to the famous Saitama Sakae High School (where Goeido, and Hirano Shurato's dad, graduated), he twice won the open weight division at the National Junior Sumo Championships, plus 7 other notable victories. During his final year in high school, Sato won the open weight division at the World Junior Sumo Championships.

During September of that year, Sato decided to become a pro, joining Takanohana Beya. He started off with back-to-back Yushos in Jonokuchi and Jonidan, and reached sekitori in only 10 bashos getting there by winning the Makushita Yusho in March 2016. He would go on to add the Juryo Yusho to his achievements in November 2016, and the rest, as they say, is history.

Wow, for a little dude, he has accomplished a lot.   He can be as arrogant as he wants (or looks) to be.   Go, Takakeyusho!

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

Today Takakeisho's tachiai with Hokutofuji looked like a matta. He took off before Hokutofuji put both hands down.

[Philioyamfugi 378]

A little love for Diaeisho for his KK. He's a hard hitter and always shows good sumo. Chiyonukuni and Shouhozan may be the fight of the basho. The Takakeisho band Wagon is in full swing, he's just in the zone and  it's his to lose right now.

[Rocks 1,805]

2 hours ago, Morty said:

I'm astonished at this point that he has henka'd twice against relatively mediocre opposition and there have been no howls of protest from the forum.... Are people so jaded about Goeido at this point that they just shrug and go "meh"?

Nobody really howls for Goeido when he does pull off a good win so not yelling about this isn't surprising to me. Although it did raise my eyebrow a bit. Even before this he was kinda tentative this basho. He may only be 2 wins out of the yusho but he's sort of been in "get your KK and run" mode to me this basho.

[Dwale 419]

Chiyonokuni v. Shohozan was a hell of a match. Come to think, Shohozan also had that excellent match with Kotoshigiku on day six. And this is why I like the guy: hes not the winningest rikishi, but he brings the fire.

 

We're going to learn something about Takakeisho's mental strength of the next five days, one way or the other.

[Amamaniac 2,078]

15 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

I don't think it's arrogance as much as confidence. Simply put, he's intimidated by no one out there, Yokozuna included, unlike many up-and-coming rikishi in their Joi debut who cower with fear and are completely overwhelmed by the moment when facing a Yokozuna.

 

10 hours ago, robnplunder said:

Sometimes it is a very thin line between arrogance and confidence.  When the arrogance is backed up with wins, it is called confidence. 

The more I think about it, the more I get the feeling that Takanohana instilled this kind of attitude in his wrestlers (e.g., Takakeisho and Takanoiwa), and the whole Haruamfuji-Takanoiwa incident is in part a result of the same confident/arrogant mindset.  Heck, the sumo apple doesn't fall far from the sumo tree.

But even Aoiyama said in his post KK interview that he attributes his success in this tournament to his stable master (Kasugano) pushing him to be more "confident" in his sumo.  The Japanese term jishin literally means "to believe in yourself".

Edited November 20, 2018 by Amamaniac

[CT3* 331]

6 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Nobody predicting an Aoiyama yusho?

You know it's a crazy Basho when Aoiyama is a dark horse to win the yusho. I'd actually love to see him pull it off!

[Eikokurai 3,433]

18 minutes ago, CT3* said:

You know it's a crazy Basho when Aoiyama is a dark horse to win the yusho. I'd actually love to see him pull it off!

It wasn’t so long ago that he got a jun-yusho fighting from M8. If not for injuries, I think he could have challenged again from the low ranks he’s held throughout the year. It’s been only a matter of time. Maybe now is the time.

[Yamanashi 3,692]

5 hours ago, Morty said:

I'm astonished at this point that he has henka'd twice against relatively mediocre opposition and there have been no howls of protest from the forum.... Are people so jaded about Goeido at this point that they just shrug and go "meh"?

No howl of protest, just disdain.

[Philioyamfugi 378]

Ok...write it down. Goedo is not winning or jun yusho this basho. :] 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[robnplunder 974]

6 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

 

The more I think about it, the more I get the feeling that Takanohana instilled this kind of attitude in his wrestlers (e.g., Takakeisho and Takanoiwa), and the whole Haruamfuji-Takanoiwa incident is in part a result of the same confident/arrogant mindset.  Heck, the sumo apple doesn't fall far from the sumo tree.

Good point.   And let's not forget Takagenji.   So, it may well be the influence from Takanohana's way.   Now that he is out of the picture, perhaps, things may change a bit?

Edited November 20, 2018 by robnplunder

[Sue 476]

22 hours ago, robnplunder said:

Other than [Takakeisho's] arrogant face (don't really know if he is really arrogant or just looks like one), I like him.

I don't think he looks arrogant at all -- to me, he comes across as baby faced and cute. He became one of the rikishi I follow after he gave an adorably inarticulate sansho interview a few bashos ago, with a swollen face from an injury that day.

[Amamaniac 2,078]

1 hour ago, robnplunder said:

Good point.   And let's not forget Takagenji.   So, it may well be the influence from Takanohana's way.   Now that he is out of the picture, perhaps, things may change a bit?

Might as well throw in Takayoshitoshi while we're at it.

 

[Kintamayama 44,277]

To me it seems like Takakeishou is doing so well because he is no longer under Takanohana's grip. The new management seems to be doing him some good.

[Kaninoyama 1,663]

10 hours ago, robnplunder said:

Wow, for a little dude, he has accomplished a lot.   He can be as arrogant as he wants (or looks) to be.   Go, Takakeyusho!

Exactly. Lost in all the Takakeisho doubting is that he's been doing sumo his entire life at a high level, winning each step of the way. And now here he is on the verge of doing it again at the very highest level.

[robnplunder 974]

One thing is getting clear.  Whether it is Takakeisho or Takayasu, it appears that another Japanese rikishi is likely take the yusho.   It wasn't too far back that Kotoshogiku broke the drought.  Since then, number of Japanese rikishi have taken the yusho.   This basho could add another, a new one at that.   

[Kaninoyama 1,663]

14 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

To me it seems like Takakeishou is doing so well because he is no longer under Takanohana's grip. The new management seems to be doing him some good.

The results certainly do not lie, although given the success of the rikishi in Takanohana-beya overall, it's hard to imagine that being out from Takanohana's grip will be a net positive for his disciples. We shall see.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Kaninoyama
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[Dapeng 232]

Has Tochinoshin secured the most wins of the year?

[Benihana 1,901]

Could someone please photoshop him a cane and a fedora?

[Benihana 1,901]

22 hours ago, robnplunder said:

One thing is getting clear.  Whether it is Takakeisho or Takayasu, it appears that another Japanese rikishi is likely take the yusho.   It wasn't too far back that Kotoshogiku broke the drought.  Since then, number of Japanese rikishi have taken the yusho.   This basho could add another, a new one at that.   

I hope so. The last year with 3 non-mongolian yusho was 2003 with Kaio, Tochiazuma and Chiyotaikai. It also was the last year with less than 5 yusho going to mongolia before Kisenosato's back-to-back yusho 2017.

EDIT: On another note...Wakaichiro already down to 1-4. Injured?

EDITEDIT: Thanks to @Eikokurai for pointing out that Tochi isn't exactly japanese...*slamsheadondohyo*

Edited November 21, 2018 by Benihana

[Eikokurai 3,433]

 

1 hour ago, Benihana said:

I hope so. The last year with 3 japanese yusho was 2003 with Kaio, Tochiazuma and Chiyotaikai. It also was the last year with less than 5 yusho going to mongolia before Kisenosato's back-to-back yusho 2017.

EDIT: On another note...Wakaichiro already down to 1-4. Injured?

If a Japanese rikishi wins the yusho this time, that will be two for the year. Kakuryū has two, Hakuho one and Tochinoshin one. Mitakeumi is the only Japanese yusho winner in 2018.

[WAKATAKE 2,624]

3 hours ago, Dapeng said:

Has Tochinoshin secured the most wins of the year?

Yes.

As of day 10:

Tochinoshin 56
Mitakeumi 51

Mitakeumi could hope for a share of the title if something happens to Shin the rest of the way.

[Sakura 1,471]

6 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

Yes.

As of day 10:

Tochinoshin 56
Mitakeumi 51

Mitakeumi could hope for a share of the title if something happens to Shin the rest of the way.

Takayasu now has 52 wins, so not quite secured.

[WAKATAKE 2,624]

2 minutes ago, Sakura said:

Takayasu now has 52 wins, so not quite secured.

Wow he came out of nowhere