Hakuhou injured-Kyushu crisis looms

[Kintamayama 44,349]

On 24/10/2018 at 22:20, Akinomaki said:

Plenty of tickets are still available for Kyushu: http://sumo.pia.jp/vacant/va11.jsp

 

A few tickets available for days 3, 4, and 5 don't constitute "plenty of tickets still available" in my book.Yes, there are many nose bleed tickets left, but still. I'd say we will be sold out for at least 10 days. and the venue capacity is 10000, AFAIK, and even less for sumo, probably. 

If anything is affecting sales, it's Takanohana's intai. http://sumo.pia.jp/en/vacant/va11.jsp

Edited October 26, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Akinomaki 39,763]

11 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

A few tickets available for days 3, 4, and 5 don't constitute "plenty of tickets still available" in my book. If anything is affecting sales, it's Takanohana's intai. http://sumo.pia.jp/en/vacant/va11.jsp

Quite a number of masu seats have been sold the last 2 days, (maybe several because Hakuho has announced he'll try to enter). Any means not just a few, that is : B chair seats are available as for days 2-6 and 9-12.

[Kintamayama 44,349]

Just now, Akinomaki said:

Quite a number of masu seats have been sold the last 2 days, (maybe several because Hakuho has announced he'll try to enter). Any means not just a few, that is : B chair seats are available as for days 2-6 and 9-12.

OK, but I still say 10-11 days sold out.

[Akinomaki 39,763]

7 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

OK, but I still say 10-11 days sold out.

Only 5 days are sold out NOW - 10 days are still available, even a few for day 1 - and for Japanese apparently more tickets are shown unsold than on the English version http://sumo.pia.jp/vacant/va11.jsp

That overview is always from several hours ago and only updated once or twice a day, the real ticket availability is shown on the Japanese ticket purchase pages

Chairs http://sumo.pia.jp/ticketInformation.do?eventCd=1839170&rlsCd=005

4 person masu box http://sumo.pia.jp/ticketInformation.do?eventCd=1839168&rlsCd=008

[Akinomaki 39,763]

On 25/10/2018 at 09:21, Tigerboy1966 said:

Isn't it the case that Kyushu is historically less likely to sell out than the other venues? It wouldn't surprise me: according to WP it has a capacity of 13,000 compared to 11,000 for the Kokugikan, 7,500 for Nagoya and 8,000 for Osaka.

Kyushu has the least sell-outs, but I haven't seen a capacity of 13 000 for the Fukuoka kokusai center mentioned so far (link please). The site gives for a layout example that fits sumo, a capacity of 7418

layout 2: http://www.marinemesse.or.jp/kokusai/organizer/layout/

to count the exact number on the seat plan, one would need to know, which corner boxes are for 2 and which for 3  http://www.sumo.or.jp/Admission/ticket/Nov/seat/591/

Edited October 26, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Kuroyama 715]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

Kyushu has the least sell-outs, but I haven't seen a capacity of 13 000 for the Fukuoka kokusai center mentioned so far (link please). The site gives for a layout example that fits sumo, a capacity of 7418

layout 2: http://www.marinemesse.or.jp/kokusai/organizer/layout/

to count the exact number on the seat plan, one would need to know, which corner boxes are for 2 and which for 3  http://www.sumo.or.jp/Admission/ticket/Nov/seat/591/

Does that plan assume Western-style arena seating, or Japanese-style masuseki? Capacity will be rather higher with the latter than the former, I'd think.

I was trying to see if there was any information in past threads on ticket sales for Kyushu, but I couldn't find anything.

[Akinomaki 39,763]

20 hours ago, Kuroyama said:

Does that plan assume Western-style arena seating, or Japanese-style masuseki? Capacity will be rather higher with the latter than the former, I'd think.

I was trying to see if there was any information in past threads on ticket sales for Kyushu, but I couldn't find anything. 

To look on data about ticket sales, I'd suggest to look for Kyushu in this one

where does that cat pic come from? (answer: from page 2 of the thread)

e.g. in 2014 it happened to be a capacity of 6986

On 26/11/2014 at 17:56, Akinomaki said:

The basho had 7 times a full house (4 sell-outs), most for Kyushu since 1997, which had 10.

Details from my pic posts

Day 1: full house with 6332 spectators, 90% of the capacity of 6986 - ratings for NHK: 16.2%

Edited October 27, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Kuroyama 715]

"Attendance". That was the key word I needed to look for. And somehow I missed it in the appropriate forum.

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

I think JG mentioned 10,000 in his Underrated Gem article, and Grand Sumo Fully Illustrated states it as 9313, or 9774 when standing room is included.

[Kintamayama 44,349]

5 hours ago, Otokonoyama said:

I think JG mentioned 10,000 in his Underrated Gem article, and Grand Sumo Fully Illustrated states it as 9313, or 9774 when standing room is included.

I think that Sumo and its unique setup (masu seats, the dohyo, etc)  takes up some space usually reserved for the audience, hence the discrepancy in numbers. I would say it's around the 7000 mark for sumo. 10,000 is the official number when a "usual" event takes place, I am guessing.

[yorikiried by fate 1,988]

On 24/10/2018 at 16:33, Yamanashi said:

1) Long time no post, YBF.

2) I had hoped that, by inspired serendipity, the German term would have the letters -hak- in it.

Since this is the off-topicest thread for many years (except the regular hon-basho threads), I might as well comment:

1) Sadly yes. I'm watching the vids and regularly monitoring the site. Nevertheless, my knowledge of the newer rikishi is a bit fuzzy, so there's nothing insightful to expect from me except "No way Kisenosato could have won all those bouts by himself." and that's a bit boring. Then my Ignore List has grown so much, that many threads look like a Situationist theater script. Lastly, my personal times are somewhat interesting at the moment. Mildly, though. More like Hikiotoshied By Fate.

2) The problem is that "-hak-" would be pronounced like with a long vowel (as in "der Haken"; the hook), so the resemblance to Hakuho gets lost. But I will do my beast best and give you a description of the thread's topic, the possible fallout AND ALL off-topic issues wrapped into one word. You have to figure out the interpretation, though.

Hakfleischsoße

[Asashosakari 18,784]

2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

I think that Sumo and its unique setup (masu seats, the dohyo, etc)  takes up some space usually reserved for the audience, hence the discrepancy in numbers. I would say it's around the 7000 mark for sumo. 10,000 is the official number when a "usual" event takes place, I am guessing.

Yeah. I seem to recall even in the darkest days of ~10 years ago when Kyushu tournament days would sometimes get less than 4,000 people through the door, that was still reported as around 50% sold. Don't remember the Kokusai Center ever being listed as anywhere near 10,000 for sumo, and Akinomaki's post quoted above seems to confirm that.

Edit: Found an enlightening post while randomly looking for old attendance figures:

On 18/10/2008 at 10:40, Kintamayama said:

Contrary to rumors, ticket sales for Kyushu are going extremely well. Some days are already sold out, and some have only a few tickets left, says the bulletin board. This is rare before the Banzuke announcement. The average spectators per day last year was 5258 (capacity- 9000), which was 240 more daily than the year before. The weekday attendance was weak but from day 13 on it was a full house. "Good or bad, the fact that we are constantly in the news may be the reason for the brisk sales", said Dewanoumi Oyakata. The Kyokai is not sitting on its hands either. They listened to the fans' complaints that the box seats were too small for four people and enlarged them by 10 centimeters each, losing around 2000 potential seats on the way.

So ~9,000 up to 2007, and presumably ~7,000 ever since.
 

On 25/10/2018 at 09:21, Tigerboy1966 said:

Isn't it the case that Kyushu is historically less likely to sell out than the other venues? It wouldn't surprise me: according to WP it has a capacity of 13,000 compared to 11,000 for the Kokugikan, 7,500 for Nagoya and 8,000 for Osaka.

That's a different building.

Edited October 26, 2018 by Asashosakari

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

Thanks for the refresher. It all makes sense again.

Edited October 27, 2018 by Otokonoyama

[robnplunder 974]

On 15/10/2018 at 09:37, Kintamayama said:

That's where you're wrong. I prefer to fast while eating.

... and I eat fast, especially, the breakfast.

 

I am beginning to think Hak will show up and still finish with a double digit wins.  

 

[Tigerboy1966 1,376]

22 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Kyushu has the least sell-outs, but I haven't seen a capacity of 13 000 for the Fukuoka kokusai center mentioned so far (link please).

My error: the Fukuoka complex has 3 arenas and I was looking at the capacity of the biggest one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukuoka_Convention_Center

Edited October 27, 2018 by Tigerboy1966
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[Kintamayama 44,349]

On 13/10/2018 at 18:03, Kintamayama said:

I think this deserves to have its own thread now. Hakuhou has left the jungyo due to a right knee injury and will undergo endoscopic surgery on the 18th

I have been corrected that it's actually arthroscopic surgery when it concerns  joints, while endoscopic surgery relates to the "interior of a hollow organ." or when it relates to Endou. OK, then.

[Stein 30]

"Nothing last forever...even cold november rain..."

I hope he gets good, but i dont really expect him at this moment and age to come back 100 or even 90% (Which is more than enough for him to keep winning half of the bashos every year)

[Suwihuto 125]

On 20/10/2018 at 00:19, Gurowake said:

Milk products in coleslaw dressing?  It's fairly common to have eggs in them, but that's merely something in the dairy case at the grocery store, not an actual dairy product.  It may be "creamy", but that's not because there's cream in it (usually).

Around these parts, coleslaw has a mayonnaise base, and contains carrot, cabbage and maybe some onion too.

(Apologies, we drifted back to talking about Hakuho.)

Edited October 27, 2018 by Suwihuto
Strayed onto topic.

[Kintamayama 44,349]

"I am impatient.. I need to strengthen  my muscles. I feel some discomfort. Still, I have this week and next week.." said Hakuhou when asked about his situation. He has restarted training with very light movements, but is still visibly limping.  "It's getting better every day. If it doesn't improve, it will mean that the surgery was useless.." he added.

[inhashi 2,363]

3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

"I am impatient.. I need to strengthen  my muscles. I feel some discomfort. Still, I have this week and next week.." said Hakuhou when asked about his situation. He has restarted training with very light movements, but is still visibly limping.  "It's getting better every day. If it doesn't improve, it will mean that the surgery was useless.." he added.

a very noticeable limp :(

 

[Kintamayama 44,349]

Artickle- Hakuhou in doubt for Kyushu

[Kintamayama 44,349]

It is becoming increasingly unlikely that Hakuhou will be entering Kyushu. "He can only do shiko stomping at the moment. He is moving his body, but.." stated Miyagino Oyakata. It seems the pain arrives with the cold. "If it were a bit warmer he would be OK, but.. Even when he goes to sleep he covers his knee.." added the Oyakata. Hakuhou did not show up for training at all this morning.

[Benevolance 2,478]

It's a feint. He's just trolling Goeidou. 

[maorencze 144]

1 hour ago, Benevolance said:

It's a feint. He's just trolling Goeidou. 

Then he should raise this up a level and go kyujo after beating Goeido whilst ruining his chances for yusho

[Benevolance 2,478]

 

4 hours ago, maorencze said:

Then he should raise this up a level and go kyujo after beating Goeido whilst ruining his chances for yusho

I couldn't stop thinking about this scenario. I can find only one instance of a makuuchi yusho won by a kyujo rikishi: Wajima in Kyushu 1973. Could Hakuho makes it happen in Kyushu 2018? I mean, on paper, the current joi doesn't appear very threatening. The last few matchups Hakuho has faced Goeidou on day 14. Let's say Hak goes 12-0, then declares kyujo on day 12 or 13. He probably gives Kise a YBSC fusen gift and denies Goeidou his fusen win, he skips even facing Goeidou, and yet still takes home yusho 42. Ka-pow! A delicious conspiracy chanko* is served.


*Caution: chanko may contain nuts. 

Edited November 7, 2018 by Benevolance