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Did Chiyonokuni just step out for the *third* time this basho??

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1 minute ago, Jakusotsu said:

Did Chiyonokuni just step out for the *third* time this basho??

Yes - with the doo-doo foot again.

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Chiyonokuni just can't keep his foot in the ring in this basho ... :-|.

Congrats to Yuta for his 1st win.  I agree that he was showing good sumo while in losing.   I expect him to have a good career.

Onoshow - geesh!  At m6, I expected him to win at least 10.   He will be lucky not to lose 10.

Yeah, Goeido repels Tankakeisho!

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Disgusting attitude by Mitakeumi. Didn't even bow after the bout, screaming like expected to have the easiest win in his life against the dai Yokozuna. He better not make ozeki.

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Some epic battles in the yaku ranks today. Hakuho-Mitakeumi lasted so long I had time for a quick meeting with my manager before it was finished. Tochinoshin and Kisenosato both fought like men with careers on the line. A shame someone had to lose.

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Tochi seems to have real problems with his right leg. He almost fell down in the tachiai.

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Kise vs Tochino was why I can't stop watching sumo.   Ditto for Mita vs Hak.    Mita's Ozekiship will have to wait.  I don't see him winning 11 in this basho.   Tochinioshin may lose his Ozeki rank.   

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8 hours ago, Antonio Inoki said:

Tochi seems to have real problems with his right leg. He almost fell down in the tachiai.

He has been favoring it for some time.   But he has no choice but keep going.   8 wins or bust and it is looking tough for now.

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1 hour ago, lackmaker said:

I believe athletics does have a right to appeal by the team of an athlete unfairly impeded.

Later in the day? Can a final result be overturned, say, a few hours later, other than with proof of drug use, of course?

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32 minutes ago, Chankomafuji said:

Disgusting attitude by Mitakeumi. Didn't even bow after the bout, screaming like expected to have the easiest win in his life against the dai Yokozuna. He better not make ozeki.

I don't think you are reading this correctly. He screamed at himself, it's a good scream. You always want to do your best, opponent notwithstanding. As for the bow, I've seen worse.

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26 minutes ago, Chankomafuji said:

Disgusting attitude by Mitakeumi. Didn't even bow after the bout, screaming like expected to have the easiest win in his life against the dai Yokozuna. He better not make ozeki.

He is just and understandably dissapointed with himself, nothing to do with Hakuhou, he undertands his promotion is going away from him for now. He is just human.  Speaking of attitude, Hakuhou, the "dai Yokozuna" may be the greatest of all time, but is also a dame oshi specialist, and even tried to called his own monoi, refusing to step back on the ring to bow for several minutes, even inviting the crowd to cheer for a monoi last year. You may call it bold, he won 40 bashos but that doesn't give him the right to do that, thawas not the attitude a dai Yokozuna should have and it was much worse that what Mitakeumi did today...

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Just now, Rainoyama said:

He is just and understandably dissapointed with himself, nothing to do with Hakuhou, he undertands his promotion is going away from him for now. He is just human.  Speaking of attitude, Hakuhou, the "dai Yokozuna" may be the greatest of all time, but is also a dame oshi specialist, and even tried to called his own monoi, refusing to step back on the ring to bow for several minutes, even inviting the crowd to cheer for a monoi last year. You may call it bold, he won 40 bashos but that doesn't give him the right to do that, thawas not the attitude a dai Yokozuna should have and it was much worse that what Mitakeumi did today...

There’s suspicions that was all a charade to take some of the media heat off Harumafuji who was under scrutiny at the time for hogging the mic at karaoke, or whatever it was he did.

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9 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Later in the day? Can a final result be overturned, say, a few hours later, other than with proof of drug use, of course?

Yes. Rare, but not unheard of. Happens in winter sports like biathlon, too. For example if there was an obstruction. Or soccer/hockey games where the result was reversed, because the winning team used non eligible players. For example more foreign players on the field, than allowed.

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15 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Later in the day? Can a final result be overturned, say, a few hours later, other than with proof of drug use, of course?

Motorsports have a review process which can affect the result. It’s not unusual in F1, for example, for a post-race review to result in a driver being docked time which drops them a place or two in the standings, or even disqualify them. However these reviews are usually announced during the race itself. For example, race stewards will declare that an incident will be looked at again in detail once the race is over, so arguably the process starts during the contest.

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There was an Olympic equestrian event where the gold medal result was changed (weeks later) on appeal as one of the gold medal team went through the start box twice. 

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Fantastic matches today. Mitakiumi knew the promotion was in the bag with a win, Kagayaki beats hokotofuji (Applauding...). Convincing win for Kisenosato  Kakayruu  still looking like the one to beat . 

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Pleased that Yutakayama has got a win, he looked happy and relieved.

Shodai has finally come to life as well (Laughing...)

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8 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

I know. Still odd to use ‘both’ when the third exists though. ;)

The point was he mentions the two undefeated yokozuna and then he talks about the other injured Yokozuna and Ozeki. He must be talking about Kisenosato since he is a yokozuna, has come back from being injured and is not undefeated.

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2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

As for the bow, I've seen worse.

Perhaps one person you are referring to would be Takagenji? 

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2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Motorsports have a review process which can affect the result. It’s not unusual in F1, for example, for a post-race review to result in a driver being docked time which drops them a place or two in the standings, or even disqualify them. However these reviews are usually announced during the race itself. For example, race stewards will declare that an incident will be looked at again in detail once the race is over, so arguably the process starts during the contest.

Then there is cycling where every second winner of the Tour de France for the past 30 years has been stripped of the win and had it given to the seventh or eighth placed guy (as the top guy in the rankings not retrospectively found guilty of doping....)

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Was anyone else watching the Juryo action?  In the Terutsuyoshi vs. Daianmi bout, Terutsuyoshi stopped fighting after the tachiai, calling his own matta!  The gyoji had already called "tachiai" and dropped his gumbai.  But Daianmi played along with Terutsuyoshi, and stopped fighting too.  The gyoji looked dumbfounded, but didn't seem to have the gravitas to chastise the wrestlers for stopping.

When this happened with Harumafuji and with Hakuho, they certainly didn't get their way.  

Daianmi should have known to keep on fighting, and catch Terutsuyoshi when he was surrendering.  The fact that he didn't continue made things very awkward.

Check out the 13:00 mark...

 

 

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That Kise- Tochi match was epic. This basho has given me massive respect for Kise - I always liked him but the sheer guts and mental fortitude he is showing here is just amazing. In most sports if you sat out for a year you would need at least a little while to get your form back, but for a Yokozuna in sumo there is no room for tuning up and no margin for error - you have to go now. He is rusty as hell and probably not physically as good as he was but he is giving it everything. Anyone who doubted Kise's gachinkoness (I'm not sure that's actually a word but whatever) in the past couldn't possibly now. One win away from KK and a successful return. 

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What a basho and what a day of sumo ! 

Kisenosato just won one of the most important bouts of his career, 7-2 record one win away from a kk and to be saved for at least another basho, he has the momentum back and a favourable match up tomorow against M3e Endo (1-8). It's Kise's easiest aite to come and his best shot to get a win, he knows it and hopefully he can get it to finish the basho with less pressure.

Mitakeumi  lost his 3rd bout in four days after a good 5-0 start.  Losing against Hakuhou after a good bout like he had is nothing to be ashamed off but he knows he now needs to win 5 of his next 6 to get the 11 wins he needs and he was right to be angry with himself. The loss against Ikoi was a costly one. Very difficult match up against 9-0 Kakuryu tomorow but Kakuryu is just 4-3 against Mitakeumi and didn't look as solid today against a struggling endo so we never know. A win tomorow would put Mitakeumi back in a more confortable position and give him back some momentum to face Takayasu and Kisenosato later.

Tochinoshin was the one with the most chance to reach his goal, but lost two in a row doesn't look good at all and still needs to produce 3 wins. His match up tomorow is against M1e Kaisei who won again (4-5) and is aving a good basho so far at this difficult rank. Tochi is 9-7 against Kaisei and is yet to face Kakuryu, Hakuhou and Takayasu.

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22 minutes ago, Morty said:

Then there is cycling where every second winner of the Tour de France for the past 30 years has been stripped of the win and had it given to the seventh or eighth placed guy (as the top guy in the rankings not retrospectively found guilty of doping....)

Those examples are of course not by appeal. But it is I believe possible to appeal a group sprint finish where a rider is accused of taking the line of an opponent causing loss of position. 

So there are examples in sport of appeals after the contest but its by no means a common way of overturning a result.

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