Eikokurai 3,433 Posted July 28, 2018 55 minutes ago, orandashoho said: Oops. I stand corrected. It somehow got stuck in my mind that it had been Terunofuji, perhaps because he needed the double victory against him. I do not blame Harumafuji for anything. It was a genuine mistake brought on by faulty memory, now corrected. BTW, I would like to know how Harumafuji is doing. I presume he is still an Isegahama consultant, but it's very quiet around him. I hope this quiet has resulted in a number of nice paintings. Perhaps you’re confusing the other moment from that tournament that left a bad taste in many people’s mouths – Terunofuji doing the henka on Kotoshogiku and costing him the 10th win needed to return to Ozeki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orandashoho 720 Posted July 28, 2018 39 minutes ago, Eikokurai said: Perhaps you’re confusing the other moment from that tournament that left a bad taste in many people’s mouths – Terunofuji doing the henka on Kotoshogiku and costing him the 10th win needed to return to Ozeki. With hindsight, we know that Terunofuji 's medical condition was not sudden thing but a hidden problem that would bring him down sooner than later, and he put a good last-ditch effort into a tsuna run. That is really why I was thinking that their demise was connected -- Terunofuji must have known and wanted to go out with a bang, while Kisenosato could have been expecting years of successful Yokozunahood competing when he suddenly got injured. I can understand the denial and wishful thinking surrounding Kisenosato's return, and the YDC's wish to give the miracle a chance. But a lot would have to happen before Kisenosato can be in the yusho race -- a lot of wins in serious training against stong, heavy yusho contenders (do you see that happening? I don't); being able to compensate for the loss of power with a new style of sumo (for all I know he has been working on it, but has anyone seen him succeeding at this?); and a good big throw of salt. Time will tell. This impasse cannot go on indefinitely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,395 Posted July 28, 2018 2 hours ago, RabidJohn said: Kisenosato knows. I believe the purpose of his own statement about the next basho he enters being make or break was to prepare the fans for the worst. I think it was more a kick in his own ass. I don't think the fans are at the top of his thoughts at this stage. I truly have no clue how he is physically. Mentally? That, I'm pretty sure I do. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maorencze 144 Posted July 29, 2018 On 28. 7. 2018 at 15:50, orandashoho said: being able to compensate for the loss of power with a new style of sumo (for all I know he has been working on it, but has anyone seen him succeeding at this?); and a good big throw of salt. There HAVE been people in a plenty of sports that succeeded in this, so for now let's just give the man our support and optimistic thoughts, without any skepticism. If others could do it before, Kise can as well. Will he? That remains to be seen. I for one hope he reaches the top somehow, for one last hurrah, like 10-11 wins or something (though I feel otherwise, but hope always dies last). I'm not that much a Kise fan, but I think majority of members here would agree that Kise at least deserves a full and proper second chance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites