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Nagoya Basho 2018 Discussion [SPOILERS]

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9 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

In a way, it wouldn’t be a bad way to go out. Only four guys have ever gone 0-15 in makuuchi and the last was 27 years ago. Yoshikaze could find himself a permanent spot in the history books rather than be just another retired rikishi. Better to be remembered for the wrong reasons than not remembered at all ... ?

Three of the Four rikishi to ever go 0-15 in the top division retired within the next two tournaments as well.

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15 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

And the kotenage is proven to be a lethal move yet again.

I'm sure Kokonoe beya will harbor a grudge against Tamawashi for some time.

Kaio used to do this quite often, and ruined his share of elbows as a result. He had 55 career wins by kotenage, and that's not even considering the times he attempted it and lost, or where an initial trapping of the arm led to a victory by some other kimarite. I don't recall any particular animus expressed toward him by other rikishi at the time, although it was plenty bemoaned here in the forums. He even had Asashoryu rubbing his elbow a few times.

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12 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

It means that my metaphorics are bad

Kitanofuji appeared to be even sicker than last time he was on the NHK broadcast

Believe he picked up a Nagoya cough, that is all.

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I guess we see 3 Ichinojos; pain free mode, in pain mode and on painkillers mode...The ciatic nerve hurts like a mf*. Its natural that him avoid to take medications untill the makekoshi is near.

im not liking of Nagoya because all my favorite guys are out or with no chance, except  Kaisei (yaaaay (Sigh...) ), but i have to admit that i'm loving to see the development of the kids. Oyanagi is showing great spirit and technique, he is growing confidence and overcoming those horible bashos he had after juryo promotion. Asanoyama looks so strong, his butt cheecks remembers me Hakuho's...Freaking horse legs! I know that sounds a litle gay but lets admit...one of Hak's major  advantages are those legs, pure fiber...:-P

 

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5 hours ago, neonbelly said:

I don't see him as yielding when his joints are in perilous positions though, like an arm getting twisted for a throw or knees torquing during circular footwork. He's quitting during straight-on pushing matches. I mean, ffs, he ALWAYS gives up ground at the tachi ai, regardless of the size or power of his opponent.

Was it against Takayasu, where Ichinojo had a right hand grip and Takayasu ripped it off and after that Ichinojo just went really strong on him like ripping the grip off pissed him off. When I saw it I felt it was really weird. I have no idea what's going on in his head.

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19 minutes ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

Was it against Takayasu, where Ichinojo had a right hand grip and Takayasu ripped it off and after that Ichinojo just went really strong on him like ripping the grip off pissed him off. When I saw it I felt it was really weird. I have no idea what's going on in his head.

Yeah Takayasu did a swim move to get around Ichinojo's right arm inside grip and establish a left inside grip of his own, then Ichinojo decided to take his lunch money and won via throat shove from hell.

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On 7/18/2018 at 16:50, Rocks said:

As far as Mitakeumi getting Ozeki even with a 15-0 I'd say that is silly. But with 13 or more wins here I think he gets it with 10 wins in AKI. Anything less and he'll need 11.

I agree. As much as I like him, we need further proof that he can perform ozeki sumo on the regular. I think he definitely will achieve that, but even I am not convinced he's ready yet. (But I am hopeful!)

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A lot of people seem to be concerned and extremely worried about Yoshikaze this basho and are talking about the amount of concussions, knocks that he has taken during basho and Keiko. 

Given the concerns that many of us have on this forum i have yet to find any articles in the Japanese media with regards to sustained head knocks over his career. Is this something that just isn't discussed or do the media think his recent decline is just old age. 

I wish him all the best but it does look like his oyakata should really think about his health.

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Wakaichiro won and got his KK, 4-3. Congrats to him! 

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7 hours ago, Kuroyama said:

Kaio used to do this quite often, and ruined his share of elbows as a result. He had 55 career wins by kotenage, and that's not even considering the times he attempted it and lost, or where an initial trapping of the arm led to a victory by some other kimarite. I don't recall any particular animus expressed toward him by other rikishi at the time, although it was plenty bemoaned here in the forums. He even had Asashoryu rubbing his elbow a few times.

Watching Tamawashi´s initial reaction - dismay and disgusted about himself, I can´t imagine anymosity towards him. It is not the culture. I remember interviews with injured rikishi stating to try to get healthy as quickly as possible, so that their opponent does not have to worry about them.

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A lot of crappy matches in Juryo tonight. 

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3 minutes ago, Rocks said:

A lot of crappy matches in Juryo tonight. 

You think so ? I found them fine but I preferred what I saw in makushita.

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2 hours ago, Chojin said:

A lot of people seem to be concerned and extremely worried about Yoshikaze this basho and are talking about the amount of concussions, knocks that he has taken during basho and Keiko. 

Given the concerns that many of us have on this forum i have yet to find any articles in the Japanese media with regards to sustained head knocks over his career. Is this something that just isn't discussed or do the media think his recent decline is just old age. 

I wish him all the best but it does look like his oyakata should really think about his health.

I'll happily admit that my comments are entirely speculative and I base my worries here purely on what I know about cumulative damage from being struck in the head, and Yoshikaze's long term tendency to use a very robust style that emphasises his ability to absorb punishment, and to use his head as a weapon. One basho last year I watched all his matches in slow motion and over the course of the basho he attempted or landed with over 40 headbutts. Not big striking headbutts, but a forward movement in which he attempts to contact his opponent's head with his own. He uses that move all of the time. On top of that he gets his face cut or nose bleeds a couple of times per basho and regularly gets struck around the head. Keep that up for 15 years and you are heading for Chris Benoit brain damage territory.

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LOL.  Even after two matas, Aminishiki's hand was nowhere near the ground at tachihai.   It's the one who cheats later that gets caught but not in this case.  Ami got away with one.

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Ohhh. They're scrapping Mitakeumi-Ichinojo for Day 15 and doing Mitakeumi-Yutakayama and Ichinojo-Endo instead.

Juryo yusho bouts: Takanoiwa (13-1) - Kyokushuho (7-7) and Takanosho (12-2) - Tsurugisho (7-7).

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Mitakeumi has a yusho!!! Great win and very deserving. (Zabutonflying...)

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1 hour ago, Morty said:

I'll happily admit that my comments are entirely speculative and I base my worries here purely on what I know about cumulative damage from being struck in the head, and Yoshikaze's long term tendency to use a very robust style that emphasises his ability to absorb punishment, and to use his head as a weapon. One basho last year I watched all his matches in slow motion and over the course of the basho he attempted or landed with over 40 headbutts. Not big striking headbutts, but a forward movement in which he attempts to contact his opponent's head with his own. He uses that move all of the time. On top of that he gets his face cut or nose bleeds a couple of times per basho and regularly gets struck around the head. Keep that up for 15 years and you are heading for Chris Benoit brain damage territory.

Your comments I also truly believe. He has been exposed to a lot of head trauma. I really hope he has no future injuries and is able to retire and have a nice future. I am not doctor and am not implying anything other then a concern. 

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Nice to see Mitakeumi crying. Well done! He finally has a Yusho!

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Finally? He hasn’t been in Makuuchi even three years yet! It’s great for him, but it’s not like he’s done a Kisenosato here.

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And Takayasu loses. Says a lot about him and Goeido that the best either could manage is 10 wins in a basho missing all Yaokozuna and the only other Ozeki. 

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Takayasu is really missing his training partner. Maybe coincidence, but since Kise is out, Takayasu´s sumo is all over the place-no concept. 

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6 minutes ago, Rocks said:

And Takayasu loses. Says a lot about him and Goeido that the best either could manage is 10 wins in a basho missing all Yaokozuna and the only other Ozeki. 

They’ve probably both given up. They can’t win the yusho so they’re not taking risks for the sake of one extra win. Of course, they really ought to have been in the yusho race though.

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Mitakeumi makes good on his potential.   He'd best to get his emotion in check and win another bout tomorrow.  That can make or break his promotion to Ozeki after the next basho.  

Don't be too harsh on Goedio or Takayasu.   They are sticking out until the end, injury or not, kachikosh or not.   I don't think Takayasu was 100% and Goeido has been his usual overachieving self.   He does not have the size like other Ozeki or Yokozuna but has one yusho under his belt and 4 year run on Ozekiship.

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