inhashi 2,363 Posted May 29, 2018 News started to filter in during the past 24 hours. Here is a link to News7 and first time attempt with English subs. https://youtu.be/5oZoyb_WOEU Asked if he would also be using a four character idiom phrase as others have in the past for their Ozeki acceptance speech, he has said that it would be a bit difficult and will try to keep it simple. 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
inhashi 2,363 Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) Ceremony that is about to start on NHK livehttps://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/realtime/rt0000324.html Some screenshots ""I will follow and preserve Oyakata's teachings, be a role model for other rikishi, and train hard with keiko" The leg is numb and Ozeki takes a moment to shake it out Edited May 30, 2018 by inhashi 13 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
since_94 650 Posted May 30, 2018 So happy for him. Countless hours of pain and persistence pay off, and it’s a wonderful thing to see when it happens. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michishige 66 Posted May 30, 2018 Here is the NHK English-language article containing a minute-long highlight of his promotion speech. Congratulations! https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20180530_14/ 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,437 Posted May 30, 2018 Great to see it’s official now. I always felt he looked like Ozeki material and so glad he’s finally been able to get over his injuries and make the set up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,437 Posted May 30, 2018 49 minutes ago, Eikokurai said: Great to see it’s official now. I always felt he looked like Ozeki material and so glad he’s finally been able to get over his injuries and make the set up. *make the step up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swami 245 Posted May 30, 2018 Excellent for him, I can understand that he was disappointed not to get the yusho again, but if he keeps up this form, he'll get more chances for yusho. Swami Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maorencze 144 Posted May 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, Swami said: ...if he keeps up this form, he'll get more chances for yusho. And the tsuna. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,778 Posted May 30, 2018 I'm happy for him. I was never a crazy fan, but always rooted for him secretly. After he decided to have surgery and dropped off to the desert, I had a lot of respect for him. After they screwed him the first time, I rooted for him even more. After they screwed him the second time, he became my number two guy after Ikioi. Now, I'm just really happy for him. In the acceptance speech he mentioned his oyakata, something that isn't done. "I wanted to thank him, he told me not to, but I wanted to," he said later. His acceptance speech: "I humbly accept this. I will keep my Oyakata's teachings in mind and will concentrate on keiko in order to be a model for the rikishi. I am deeply thankful today" , he said. "We tried to keep it simple. He said he would only use words he understands (his Japanese is OK but not perfect). I told him not to mention me, but he was adamant.." said Kasugano Oyakata. Is this the time to mention how he treated Tochinoshin for a while? I guess not.. 3 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
autotroph 43 Posted May 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: I'm happy for him. I was never a crazy fan, but always rooted for him secretly. After he decided to have surgery and dropped off to the desert, I had a lot of respect for him. After they screwed him the first time, I rooted for him even more. After they screwed him the second time, he became my number two guy after Ikioi. Now, I'm just really happy for him. In the acceptance speech he mentioned his oyakata, something that isn't done. "I wanted to thank him, he told me not to, but I wanted to," he said later. His acceptance speech: "I humbly accept this. I will keep my Oyakata's teachings in mind and will concentrate on keiko in order to be a model for the rikishi. I am deeply thankful today" , he said. "We tried to keep it simple. He said he would only use words he understands (his Japanese is OK but not perfect). I told him not to mention me, but he was adamant.." said Kasugano Oyakata. Is this the time to mention how he treated Tochinoshin for a while? I guess not.. Not to be a shit-stirrer, but I am ignorant of the the two times he was screwed over, and of how his oyakata treated him. I would love to be enlightened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,827 Posted May 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, autotroph said: Not to be a shit-stirrer, but I am ignorant of the the two times he was screwed over, and of how his oyakata treated him. I would love to be enlightened. His oyakata once hit him and 2 other deshi with a golf club to discipline them for breaking curfew? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,778 Posted May 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, autotroph said: Not to be a shit-stirrer, but I am ignorant of the the two times he was screwed over, and of how his oyakata treated him. I would love to be enlightened. They promoted him only 7 spots after a 13-2 yusho from Juryo 12. He responded with a 15-0 yusho the next basho.. Then, they kept him out of Sanyaku for no apparent reason a few bashos later. Now, this could be subjective, but I think I'm objective enough to be a tad pissed off for him.. As for the Oyakata hitting him, I have no knowledge of that. At some point he was totally ignoring him, is all I know. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yatagarasu 352 Posted May 30, 2018 With the flurry of success since his yusho and now promotion (and jungyo in between), I have to ask...has he managed to get home at all to visit his family? It seems terribly lonely to be unable to share these wonderful days together with his wife and new daughter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fede 45 Posted May 30, 2018 Very happy for “The Tochi”. I hope he can maintain his condition and not having big injuries as in the past Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
inhashi 2,363 Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) A list of evening news video. Sorry no time for subs today, but it is open to community contribution (any language?) Watch9: https://youtu.be/3gCZXHbb3UI Nsta: https://youtu.be/-5SKVbuowRg News7: https://youtu.be/KNq2fir2mIU Shibu5: https://youtu.be/TVqBG0gAx9I NewsEvery: https://youtu.be/xScpp8WN4DY Following morning Asachan: https://youtu.be/lXU_pyc2YWE Edited May 31, 2018 by inhashi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 811 Posted May 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Kintamayama said: As for the Oyakata hitting him, I have no knowledge of that. At some point he was totally ignoring him, is all I know. Well we had a thread on it back in 2011: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,778 Posted May 30, 2018 1 hour ago, ryafuji said: Well we had a thread on it back in 2011: Geez, I was totally active in that thread and brought news almost on a daily basis, yet other than some blurry stuff have no recollection of it whatsoever. OK, six and a half years, but still.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,031 Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) The first example of Tochinoshin being screwed, the case where he could have been promoted to Makuuchi from J12 with 13-2 and someone demotable that stayed in Makuuchi, but because of an extremely crowded top of Juryo only made it to J5, was really and truly awful. They didn't try to balance out any of the bad luck, they just through as much as they could at Tochinoshin. The second instance they at least have now have, uh, I'm going to invent a word here, postcedence* - that is, they have consistently failed to promote people when the same (exact same in the case of Tamawashi last time) sort of situation has come up. And it's not only foreigners that have gotten screwed over - Hokutofuji's 11-4 from M3 is even better than a 9-6 from M1, but they still didn't open up another slot for him. Would they have if it wasn't a debut? Unlikely - they have shown very strong desire to not create Komusubi spots. It simply has not been done at all since Aki -> Kyushu 2006 despite many opportunities, particularly the basho right after that which screwed Kotoshogiku over and showed absolutely no consistency with the previous banzuke. In contrast, since then, they've seemed to go out of their way to favor him. In Haru 2015, he was skipped as an opponent for Hakuho in favor of Toyonoshima, and got compatriot Gagamaru as an opponent on the last day to secure his KK. After the "screw job" of the 9-6 M1w -> M1e the next tournament, he was given Gagamaru again as a late-basho opponent, then faced Kyokutenho in the latter's last match of his career on senshuraku. A M1e looking for a KK and automatic promotion against a 3-win rikishi at the bottom third of the division, already destined to leave Makuuchi. It doesn't get much nicer than that, even if that rikishi *wasn't* going to retire. It was a good thing that he left absolutely no doubt whatsoever that he should get promoted though, because who knows where the pendulum has swung by now. *We have from the same Proto-Indo-European root precede, succeed, cede (territory), concede, exceed, antecede(nt), plus others, but never has postcede been used. Edited May 30, 2018 by Gurowake 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yatagarasu 352 Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Gurowake said: The second instance they at least have now have, uh, I'm going to invent a word here, postcedence* - that is, they have consistently failed to promote people when the same (exact same in the case of Tamawashi last time) sort of situation has come up. *We have from the same Proto-Indo-European root precede, succeed, cede (territory), concede, exceed, antecede(nt), plus others, but never has postcede been used. In the legal world, one would say that Tochinoshin's case set a binding precedent. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serge_gva 52 Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) Anybody knows what Ozeki rank will Toshinoshin get, considering Takayasu and Goeidô went kyujo last basho? Edited May 31, 2018 by serge_gva Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Munjeezy 60 Posted May 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, serge_gva said: Anybody knows what Ozeki rank will Toshinoshin get, considering Takayasu and Goeidô went kyujo last basho? I’m almost certain he will be O2E, what I’m not certain of is goeido takayasu O1E-O1W, I’m thinking goeido O1E since he at least partially participated in the basho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,884 Posted May 31, 2018 I rather approved of Tochinoshin's promotion acceptance speech. The normal form of words usually includes something to the effect of working hard so as not to disgrace the name of ozeki. That just seems to be the case of setting the bar too low to limbo dance under. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,892 Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Munjeezy said: I’m almost certain he will be O2E O2W seems more likely. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Washuyama 638 Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said: O2W seems more likely. Agreed. And to answer the inevitable question: Kisenosato will hold the Y2e slot. Placing Tochi in the O2w slot balances the East and West sides of the banzuke. Edited May 31, 2018 by Washuyama typo 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Munjeezy 60 Posted May 31, 2018 I’m almost certain yet again if there are only three of a rank ie yokozuna and ozeki in July that the lowest or newest is always 2E, I don’t think it’s possible to have a west rank without the equivalent east 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
