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1 hour ago, Yatagarasu said:

A battle of a hot slut being unfolded at the village of two major Yokozuna!'

They are probably wondering why there were so many English speaking male fans at this years event.

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On 5/3/2018 at 08:44, Atenzan said:

??? 

What are you trying to say? That gender equality is exclusively an LGBT issue? Because it definitely isn't. If you meant something else, then you have to spell it out clearly because you're having some trouble in getting your point across in this thread. 

This is something I've noticed as well. I think everybody would appreciate it if @Chankomafuji would just explain himself clearly instead of using vague language and relying on innuendo to get a point across. I and several others have gotten confused, and when I said "let me know if I'm wrong about my interpretation of your post," he said I got it wrong, but didn't explain why, and then said something about how I'm "politically correct"? Let's just stop with the dog whistles and get back to speaking like adults.

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3 hours ago, Yatagarasu said:

A battle of a hot slut being unfolded at the village of two major Yokozuna!'

Well, as long as it doesn't happen on the dohyo, and provided no karaoke remote is being used ...

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16692 ordinary netizens have signed a petition to the Cabinet office public interest certification committee (where also Taka had aimed his complaint at), demanding to strip the NSK of their hugely tax exempt public interest status, because "it means using taxes for an organization that discriminates women". A housewife from Tokyo had collected the signatures since Apr. 10th on the net, she aims to hand it to the Cabinet office on May 23rd. http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2018/05/17/0011265441.shtml

 

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18 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

16692 ordinary netizens have signed a petition to the Cabinet office public interest certification committee (where also Taka had aimed his complaint at), demanding to strip the NSK of their hugely tax exempt public interest status, because "it means using taxes for an organization that discriminates women". A housewife from Tokyo had collected the signatures since Apr. 10th on the net, she aims to hand it to the Cabinet office on May 23rd. http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2018/05/17/0011265441.shtml

 

NSK losing their status is just about as likely as having a female yokozuna. 

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For an extreme measure like that, ten times as many signatures may be needed for a start.

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It's never going to work of course, but they know that. These things are designed to put the pressure on for change. And they make a good point in that sumo receives a lot of federal funding, which puts the government in an awkward position. It's always a major 迷惑 to the sumo world when politicians start having debates about them.

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Asahi shimbun made a random phone survey on the 19th and 20th - about politics mainly and last the question: should women be allowed on the dohyo at ceremonies. About 4000 households were called, about 1900 replied. 65% in favor (among men: 69%, women: 62%),  23% against. In all age groups, "in favor" got more votes than against.

http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASL5N524LL5NUZPS008.html

http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASL5N4SQYL5NUZPS002.html

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I expect this to fade away. Nothing will happen before Akihito abdicates and I seriously doubt it will any time soon after that.

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On 5/18/2018 at 04:37, Akinomaki said:

16692 ordinary netizens have signed a petition to the Cabinet office public interest certification committee (where also Taka had aimed his complaint at), demanding to strip the NSK of their hugely tax exempt public interest status, because "it means using taxes for an organization that discriminates women". A housewife from Tokyo had collected the signatures since Apr. 10th on the net, she aims to hand it to the Cabinet office on May 23rd. http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2018/05/17/0011265441.shtml

 

Here we have this housewife (center) with helpers yesterday handing in finally 16939 signatures. http://rd.kyodo-d.info/np/2018052301001874?c=39546741839462401

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TBS newpage with video http://news.tbs.co.jp/newseye/tbs_newseye3376687.htm

-> youtube-dl  http://flvstream.tbs.co.jp/flvfiles/_definst_/newsi/news3376687_33.mp4/chunklist_w420317133.m3u8

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The NSK refused to take part in a convention to think about the ban for women on the dohyo, on the 2nd in Takarazuka, the center of the anti-tradition campaign. This means that likely only 2 from the opponent side will hold a speech. http://mainichi.jp/articles/20180529/ddl/k28/040/368000c

On the 29th at the Education and Science committee, member of the House of Councillors (and as ex- governor of Osaka veteran in the fight against the tradition) Fusae Ota proposed to have the award ceremonies after the kami-okuri ceremony, that sends the gods, that dwell there during the basho, away from the dohyo and back home. PR top Shibatayama was present as witness: "We will make a survey among the citizens. We'll use this proposal as a reference." http://mainichi.jp/articles/20180530/k00/00m/050/087000c

Keiko with kids will be canceled at the jungyo in August, according to the plan of the NSK http://yamagata-np.jp/news/201805/30/kj_2018053000623.php

Keiko with kids had always been only for boys, till in 2012 Kitanoumi decided after requests by the locals to allow also girls. http://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/kanagawa/list/201805/CK2018052002000137.html

Keiko with kids is always a highlight at the jungyo and all locations want to have it back, but the NSK has to decide - thus for a jungyo in Kyoto in October, it is now only under consideration. http://www.sankei.com/west/news/180529/wst1805290026-n1.html

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A few survey data,  recent and the old NSK instigated survey.

In Takarazuka (famous for the women-only Takarazuka theater troop), some see the protest actions of the mayor just as a performance - the year before she had no complaints when talking from below the doyho. A phone and email survey among the citizens till May 18th brought for "the ban is an anachronism" only 104, but for "the kokugi and the tradition have to be respected" 408 replies.

The 3 year survey by a physical education professor of Tokai university from 2004 on among spectators at the basho, got for "Keep the ban": in 2004 65.5%, in 2006 72.6% and 2007 64.1%. Just in respect of allowing women at ceremonies, against it: 59.1%/69.3%/63.3%. Another survey question: "Will it result in more female fans if the ban is lifted?", got as "I don't think so", in 2004 73.1%, 2005 85.1% and 2006 76.6%.

The NSK now wants to renew this survey.

http://www.sankei.com/west/news/180530/wst1805300004-n2.html

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On 4/23/2018 at 14:02, Akinomaki said:

The mayor of Maizuru, who was the cause for all this, can talk now, but still needs rest. He was moved from the ICU to an ordinary sickbed on the 20th. It is expected that he can resume his duties during the first 10 days of May.

It had been reported later that it would take longer, and yesterday the mayor of Maizuru left hospital - he and a doctor were interviewed.

Asked about his views on the ban of women on the doyho, he said he'll give a detailed statement when he's back in office end of the month. NHK local news page with video http://www3.nhk.or.jp/lnews/kyoto/20180614/2010000179.html

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longer video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukx7zyAEbds

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On 5/31/2018 at 20:01, Akinomaki said:

The 3 year survey by a physical education professor of Tokai university from 2004 on among spectators at the basho, got for "Keep the ban": in 2004 65.5%, in 2006 72.6% and 2007 64.1%. Just in respect of allowing women at ceremonies, against it: 59.1%/69.3%/63.3%. Another survey question: "Will it result in more female fans if the ban is lifted?", got as "I don't think so", in 2004 73.1%, 2005 85.1% and 2006 76.6%.

The NSK now wants to renew this survey.

Old threads pertaining to those surveys:

 

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On 6/15/2018 at 13:42, Akinomaki said:

the mayor of Maizuru left hospital -

Asked about his views on the ban of women on the doyho, he said he'll give a detailed statement when he's back in office end of the month.

He returned to office and gave that statement today, hinting that the tradition is outdated, but not demanding abolition outright - just that the NSK should be prepared to react properly according to every possible situation, and if they want to go through with the tradition, have men ready to react at once - "For life saving, there are no men and women." https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASL6X5GFBL6XPLZB00V.html

NHK news-page with video http://www3.nhk.or.jp/kansai-news/20180628/0002233.html

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The young gyoji has left the NSK

3 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

The NSK announced that sd gyoji Kimura Masatoshi (23, Chiganoura) has resigned from his job as of June 30th. http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/201807030000552.html

On 4/19/2018 at 10:41, Akinomaki said:

The name of the so called "young gyoji" who made the announcement of "women leave!" is still not reported in the news, though he is not a minor and the reporters should have no problems to know it. From the facts in this tabloid article, Kimura Masatoshi is the one.

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On 4/19/2018 at 17:29, Akinomaki said:

the mayor of Otsu, where the summer jungyo is planned in July, told the jungyo men on simple PR duty to have changes in the NSK and told the press that she'll refuse to make the address speech from below the dohyo.

The Otsu jungyo will take place next Monday - the mayor had called for a discussion about "Women and the dohyo" at the national lawyer-mayor meeting in her city yesterday. She had promised to refuse to give an address from below the doyho - and now she hasn't received a request to attend the jungyo event - "I don't know the reason", she told the astonished members at the meeting. The chairman lawyer-mayor thinks about a proposal to the national mayor assembly: for equality, mayors in general should not step onto the dohyo for the address speech. http://www.kyoto-np.co.jp/politics/article/20180723000174

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At the regular rijikai on the 26th, it was affirmed that they will continue to discuss the future methods to investigate the issue of women not allowed on the dohyo. PR-top Shibatayama: "We will also further talk about how to build a structure to do an extensive survey." http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20180726/sum18072619070002-n1.html

 

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On 7/24/2018 at 19:27, Akinomaki said:

The chairman lawyer-mayor thinks about a proposal to the national mayor assembly: for equality, mayors in general should not step onto the dohyo for the address speech. http://www.kyoto-np.co.jp/politics/article/20180723000174

I think they'll find that their presence won't be overly missed if it becomes the new normal thing, certainly at privately promoted jungyo. (Those organized by some municipal entity might be a different matter, but then the jungyo schedule is overcrowded as it is...)

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On 4/7/2018 at 09:58, Kintamayama said:

Female Mayor Nakagawa  of Takarazuka gave her speech from the side of the dohyo yesterday, just like last year.

Later she held a press conference at City Hall. "... As for next year, I don't mind if it's on the dohyo or off the dohyo, as long as  by then men and women will be equally allowed on the dohyo. ..."

In Takarazuka there won't be a next year. The promoters: "No plans for next year", "2 years in a row was exceptional. There has to be a blank to have the people come again." The NSK: "We haven't heard from them." http://www.kobe-np.co.jp/news/sougou/201808/0011499772.shtml

Usually "we'll get a jungyo!" is the news - but here "we get no jungyo!" is the big news

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