Immediate after basho news

[Atenzan 1,074]

2 hours ago, maorencze said:

Last I checked, both Hakuho and Harumafuji got back-to-back in that timespan, so I beg to differ.

Just because my uncle kills mosquitoes with a bazooka doesn't mean that last Sunday's paper won't do the job

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So....theoretically....Takayasu gets a 14-1 Y, while Tochinoshin gets a 11-4, would we see a double promotion?

I, for one, would absolutely MARK OUT for that.

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17 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

 

Kisenosato was promoted with a 12-3 jun yusho and a 14-1 yusho. Basho before that- 10-5.. So, if Takayasu gets a 14-1 yusho, he'll be coming off an EVEN BETTER series of bashos.. There was no talk about a tsuna run before the basho started for Kisenosato. We shall see what happens if Takayasu gets that 14-1 yusho. 

I tend to think it was the year’s worth of jun-yushos (four of ‘me) coupled with the year-high wins total that counted as Kisenosato’s ‘yusho equivalent’, rather than just the 12-3 before he finally took a championship. Takayasu hasn’t been around long enough to do that yet and, to be frank, both his JYs have been fairly underwhelming. On paper the 12-3 at Hatsu looks fine, but he was playing catch up from a terrible week one, not setting the pace. Tochinoshin had it wrapped up with a day to spare. There’s jun-yushos and there’s jun-yushos. :)

[Rocks 1,807]

1 hour ago, Eikokurai said:

I tend to think it was the year’s worth of jun-yushos (four of ‘me) coupled with the year-high wins total that counted as Kisenosato’s ‘yusho equivalent’, rather than just the 12-3 before he finally took a championship. Takayasu hasn’t been around long enough to do that yet and, to be frank, both his JYs have been fairly underwhelming. On paper the 12-3 at Hatsu looks fine, but he was playing catch up from a terrible week one, not setting the pace. Tochinoshin had it wrapped up with a day to spare. There’s jun-yushos and there’s jun-yushos. :)

I think if you had a healthy Kisenosato  showing up and competing for 15 days over the past year the Kyokai would be very traditional in their promotion requirements.  But we don't. Instead it's very likely he will be intai by the end of this year. What Kisenosato has meant to the popularity of sumo IN Japan can not be  over stated. Especially having finally reached Yokozuna. To have that taken away so quickly and in such a manner is tragic. I think the Kyokai must be dreading that press conference even more than those for the scandals. Having another Japanese born Yokozuna, his best friend and heya mate at that, standing next to him when he does will go a long way towards softening that blow. 

Kisenosato's career ending the way it will is very unlucky. I doubt there will be many in Japan that will mind if Takayasu gets a little bit lucky.

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Just now, Rocks said:

I think if you had a healthy Kisenosato  showing up and competing for 15 days over the past year the Kyokai would be very traditional in their promotion requirements.  But we don't. Instead it's very likely he will be intai by the end of this year. What Kisenosato has meant to the popularity of sumo IN Japan can not be  over stated. Especially having finally reached Yokozuna. To have that taken away so quickly and in such a manner is tragic. I think the Kyokai must be dreading that press conference even more than those for the scandals. Having another Japanese born Yokozuna, his best friend and heya mate at that, standing next to him when he does will go a long way towards softening that blow. 

Kisenosato's career ending the way it will is very unlucky. I doubt there will be many in Japan that will mind if Takayasu gets a little bit lucky.

Yes, I have thought similarly. The “He’s Japanese” argument can’t be taken all that lightly. Having waited so long for a Japanese Yokozuna only to see him struggle and possibly retire within a year or two, I can imagine the criteria for Takayasu to take the role might be ... flexible? Context like that can never be entirely ignored when it comes to the sumo world it is true.

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I can't see Taka being promoted even with a yusho at Natsu, but seeing him and Tochinoshin racing for the yusho until the final days would make for an interesting basho nevertheless.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but should Takayasu become Yokozuna, won't he be the first mixed-race Yokozuna in history? Seems like it would make for a nice news-worthy headline. (And would it be the first time two stablemates who aren't related were promoted to Yokozuna one after the other? Not quite so news-worthy, but I'm interested to know.)

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7 minutes ago, Taikoubana said:

I can't see Taka being promoted even with a yusho at Natsu, but seeing him and Tochinoshin racing for the yusho until the final days would make for an interesting basho nevertheless.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but should Takayasu become Yokozuna, won't he be the first mixed-race Yokozuna in history? Seems like it would make for a nice news-worthy headline. (And would it be the first time two stablemates who aren't related were promoted to Yokozuna one after the other? Not quite so news-worthy, but I'm interested to know.)

Depends how you count. Musashimaru was the son of a German-Tongan father and a Samoan-Portuguese mother.

[Rocks 1,807]

10 minutes ago, Taikoubana said:

I can't see Taka being promoted even with a yusho at Natsu, but seeing him and Tochinoshin racing for the yusho until the final days would make for an interesting basho nevertheless.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but should Takayasu become Yokozuna, won't he be the first mixed-race Yokozuna in history? Seems like it would make for a nice news-worthy headline. (And would it be the first time two stablemates who aren't related were promoted to Yokozuna one after the other? Not quite so news-worthy, but I'm interested to know.)

Yes, as @Eikokurai said, Musashimaru would be considered mixed race. Takayasu would be the first hafu yokozuna I think. 

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15 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Musashimaru was the son of a German-Tongan father and a Samoan-Portuguese mother.

Ah, I didn't know this, thank you!

11 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Takayasu would be the first hafu yokozuna I think. 

That's more along the lines of what I was thinking when I said mixed-race. 50/50 rather than a mish-mash.

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16 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Depends how you count. Musashimaru was the son of a German-Tongan father and a Samoan-Portuguese mother.

Well that doesn't seem mixed race in the slightest.

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Just now, lackmaker said:

Well that doesn't seem mixed race in the slightest.

Haha. I think the OP probably meant mixed-race in which one part of the cocktail is Japanese. :)

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5 minutes ago, Taikoubana said:

Ah, I didn't know this, thank you!

That's more along the lines of what I was thinking when I said mixed-race. 50/50 rather than a mish-mash.

How could I forget Taihō as well?! Blimey. He was half-Japanese, half-Ukrainian.

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9 minutes ago, Taikoubana said:

That's more along the lines of what I was thinking when I said mixed-race. 50/50 rather than a mish-mash

Maybe it's just me but is there not a nicer term than mish mash.

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38 minutes ago, lackmaker said:

Maybe it's just me but is there not a nicer term than mish mash.

Multi-ethnic?

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7 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Again, this is not a philosophical discussion-we'll have to wait and see. Takayasu with a 14-1 yusho will be promoted.

Steak? Or is it stake?

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What's a "race"?

[Atenzan 1,074]

2 minutes ago, yorikiried by fate said:

What's a "race"?

https://youtu.be/ESVWherecKk

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6 minutes ago, Atenzan said:

https://youtu.be/ESVWherecKk

Oh dear lord...another time sink in my already unproductive Monday. Thanks! 

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3 hours ago, Bumpkin said:

Steak? Or is it stake?

Both.

[maorencze 144]

11 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Back-to-back yusho are dead as the minimum standard required. Please either make an effort to follow the discussion before jumping in or check your sophistry tendencies at the door, whichever one applies.

First I need to say, if you saw my comment as offensive then sorry, didn't mean it in any other way than differing from a statement that didn't seem correct to me, no offense meant.

Well, for the sake of argument, since the time of Wakanohana I back-to-backs as a standard vs. other standards are scored 13:15 if I calculate correctly. That means that back-to-backs were never really alive apart from the 90s. In that sense, I may have misspoken what was my intention (which, judging from your reaction, you probably did as well)

Also, from the discussion the only conclusion that could be made is that tsuna runs are discussed.

Last but not least, you mentioned that back-to-back standard has "essentially been dead for last 15 years" (definitely not with an asterisk of "as the minimum standard required"), which I don't think is correct, for it's a) the standard has been dead for last 6 years (not 15), and b) the "enforced standard" occured during 1990-2012 but apart from that it was never really firm in place, so to talk about "dead standard" is not exactly correct

Again, no offense was (and is) meant, sorry, just facts analysis

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Since the ill fated promotion of Futahaguro in 1986, has there been an Ozeki, who won a yusho, followed or preceded by either a doten yusho or 13+ win jun yusho, who was not promoted to Yokozuna?

Edited March 26, 2018 by Bumpkin

[Atenzan 1,074]

7 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Since the ill fated promotion of Futahaguro in 1986, has there been an Ozeki, who won a yusho, followed or preceded by either a doten yusho or 13+ win jun yusho, who was not promoted to Yokozuna?

Two very famous ones: Takanohana in 1993 and Hakuhou in 2006.

Relevant query

Edit: here is the query for the other route (jun-yusho first), but it doesn't yield any more cases. 

Edited March 26, 2018 by Atenzan

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Dang Taka, 7 yusho before yokozuna promotion!

[Asashosakari 18,784]

20 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Dang Taka, 7 yusho before yokozuna promotion!

"They were desperate for a Japanese yokozuna after having to promote Akebono",  or something. Just like they were so desperate during the Asashoryu days that they didn't promote Kaio off 13-2 Y, 12-3 J (Day 14 yusho in the jun...), nor Tochiazuma off 14-1 Y, 12-3 (third place).

Yet some people will do anything to cling to the notion that the Kyokai is in constant panic mode about the composition of the yokozuna rank...

[Rocks 1,807]

12 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Just like they were so desperate during the Asashoryu days that they didn't promote Kaio off 13-2 Y, 12-3 J (Day 14 yusho in the jun...), nor Tochiazuma off 14-1 Y, 12-3 (third place).

Yet some people will do anything to cling to the notion that the Kyokai is in constant panic mode about the composition of the yokozuna rank...

Until recently I would agree with this. But this isn't apples to apples.   Both Kaio and Tochiazuma were injury plagued. Going Kyujo in a bunch of basho as Ozeki. Kaio was old too Plus,  it hadn't been over a decade since the last Japanese Yokozuna. They thought they had it good anyway. They had dai-yokozuna in Asashoryu and Hakuho. They didn't realize how much money they were leaving on the table till Kisenosato got promoted. If they haven't been concerned with the composition of the yokozuna rank  in the past I think they are now. Are they going to promote any slob with grabs a yusho just because he's Japanese? No. But they aren't going to be too particular either if you ask me. Especially if the guy is younger, healthy and puts up consistent  numbers as an Ozeki.