Basho Talk Haru 2018 (SPOILERS)

[Asashosakari 19,593]

1 minute ago, Kuroyama said:

I don't know about "negating" anything, but with less information on which to base a very close call we might expect more torinaoshi for that reason alone.

I think that would depend on the character of the individual shimpan in each group. Some of them might well be inclined to stick firmly to their first impression if there's no way to double-check, and I suspect that first impression is usually that somebody won, regardless of the actual events that transpired. So if nobody clearly contradicts the shimpan who sat closest to the action, I could well imagine that no/limited video replay might mean fewer rematches.

[Amamaniac 2,079]

2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

2 hours ago, Yatagarasu said:

How many kensho did he get incidentally? 

I don't know, but over 20 for sure. I heard he is donating it to the blind.

Actually, there were 18 kensho on that bout; the same number as were on the final bout of the day with Kakuryu.  

Given that Goeido is known for poor eyesight (i.e., wears glasses), does "donating it to the blind" mean to himself?

[Akinomaki 40,703]

24 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

Given that Goeido is known for poor eyesight (i.e., wears glasses)

He is known to wear glasses to do PR for a friend, even if he doesn't need them

 

Edited March 20, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Amamaniac 2,079]

6 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

No love for Kotoshogiku-Takarafuji? I thought that was an excellent bout.

You are right that the bout was better than average for day 10.  In fact, the great thing is that Kotoshogiku and Takarafuji are similarly sized, which makes for an even battle.  Whenever I watch them fight each other now, I can't help but think of Harumafuji, who often struggled against Kotoshogiku.  So when Takarafuji beats Kotoshogiku (like today) and steals his kensho, I feel that revenge is somehow being served.  Not sure if Harumafuji is giving Takarafuji any special tips at the stable prior to the bout.

If you watch the slow-motion replay, you will clearly see that Kotoshogiku did not drop both fists (definitely not the right, and I'm even doubtful about the left).  Just saying, because forum users seem to be up in arms about Goeido's infraction.  Seems like the gyoji and shimpan are not in an enforcement mood any more.  Come to think of it, there were no mattas called in the Top Division on this day.

The outcome too was classic Kotoshogiku being pushed to the tawara, and then falling with a quick reversal of direction.  I think most of the Makuuchi wrestlers have figured out that that is one of his weaknesses...  Sigh.

Edited March 20, 2018 by Amamaniac

[RabidJohn 1,849]

1 hour ago, Amamaniac said:

Given that Goeido is known for poor eyesight (i.e., wears glasses), does "donating it to the blind" mean to himself?

I suspect it's a charity for Georgian rikishi who can't see henkas coming.

[Highway 46]

No issues at all with Goeido. I understand it would be a problem if he did it like 5 times a basho or something, but once or twice at most should be acceptable. And if you want a high rank you should be ready for any and all kind of challenges, Tochinoshin was not today.

[Fujisan 533]

On henkas......

The best rikishis have been known to henka.....

My favourite was Takanohana vs Chiyotaikai talk about rushing in like a bull,Taikai was in the next city before he realised what had happened....

[Benevolance 2,508]

I recall two favorite henkas: Amajanai  Harumafuji* on Hakuho to secure the yusho one year, where Hakuho ended up in the third row of spectators. The fans were absolutely crushed that the dai yokozuna came to visit. Another was Hakuho's henka on Kise - which I recall seemed like a retaliation for Kise's endless mattas - which was simply, perfectly, and beautifully executed and escorted Kise off the dohyo. 

*Actually might have been a HNH...

[specialweek 2 136]

2 hours ago, Fujisan said:

On henkas......

The best rikishis have been known to henka.....

My favourite was Takanohana vs Chiyotaikai talk about rushing in like a bull,Taikai was in the next city before he realised what had happened....

Not quite but sounds like a good story. Chiyo turned and came back into the fight only to finish on his face on the dohyo.

 

 

[Fujisan 533]

12 minutes ago, specialweek 2 said:

Not quite but sounds like a good story. Chiyo turned and came back into the fight only to finish on his face on the dohyo.

 

 

Not the way I remember it.....

Are you sure you are talking about the same bout?

I think it was one of Takanohanas last bashos but not sure which.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Fujisan

[specialweek 2 136]

13 minutes ago, Fujisan said:

Not the way I remember it.....

Are you sure you are talking about the same bout?

Last one   directyoutube.com/watch?v=EK7v0839fWw

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

4 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

You are right that the bout was better than average for day 10.  In fact, the great thing is that Kotoshogiku and Takarafuji are similarly sized, which makes for an even battle.  Whenever I watch them fight each other now, I can't help but think of Harumafuji, who often struggled against Kotoshogiku.  So when Takarafuji beats Kotoshogiku (like today) and steals his kensho, I feel that revenge is somehow being served.  Not sure if Harumafuji is giving Takarafuji any special tips at the stable prior to the bout.

If you watch the slow-motion replay, you will clearly see that Kotoshogiku did not drop both fists (definitely not the right, and I'm even doubtful about the left).  Just saying, because forum users seem to be up in arms about Goeido's infraction.  Seems like the gyoji and shimpan are not in an enforcement mood any more.  Come to think of it, there were no mattas called in the Top Division on this day.

The outcome too was classic Kotoshogiku being pushed to the tawara, and then falling with a quick reversal of direction.  I think most of the Makuuchi wrestlers have figured out that that is one of his weaknesses...  Sigh.

That is one of the "secrets" to the Geek's tachi-ai success. Head down blind charge, fake at touching down with hands by waiting and making everyone impatient, then try to shotgun out of the crouch so fast that there isn't any time to object. Needs a strong shimpan, gyoji, or better still a good henka to remind him that his ways are not kosher.

[Taikoubana 144]

With Kakuryu now sole leader, I gotta say, I'm really rooting for him to get his first zensho yusho. His sumo might not have been ideal in every bout, but at the end of the day, he's still gotten the win. Seeing him go 15-0 would really revitalize the Yokozuna spirit that lingers in the air of sumo. With so many Yokozuna kyujos in the past year, a lot of that spirit has been missing, especially during bashos.

Today is Ichinojo vs Kakuryu. Should be very interesting!

[Chankomafuji 51]

On 3/19/2018 at 17:15, Rocks said:

...ichinojo had a slow start last basho. Not this one. If Ichinojo shows up ready for the match Kakuryu loses...

I guess the yokozuna won only because Ichinojo was not ready for the match ...

[Philioyamfugi 378]

Couple nice wins for the belly monster Chiyomaru. Now you start seeing Kakaruu winning with grips. I think he was saving that hand. I don't understand why Tochinoshin lost, Tatayasu was clearly down first.  

[Eikokurai 3,437]

19 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

It certainly didn’t please the crowd, even if he is the hometown favorite 

Some, but there were plenty of smiling faces and audible applause on the video. Enough that my immediate thought was, “Huh. Guess you can forgive a henka when it’s by a hometown hero.” 

[Rocks 1,809]

1 hour ago, Chankomafuji said:

I guess the yokozuna won only because Ichinojo was not ready for the match ...

I haven't seen it yet. 

[Akinomaki 40,703]

1 hour ago, Philioyamfugi said:

I don't understand why Tochinoshin lost, Tatayasu was clearly down first.  

apparently his heel went out earlier - it was not clearly visible in the replays, but the shimpan found an imprint.

The sand outside around the bales is a bit piled up, so it's easier to leave an imprint there.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Akinomaki

[ryafuji 815]

According to Kinta’s video Tochinoshin claimed he didn’t touch out but he may have lost anyway as he looked shini-tai to me.

[rhyen 1,844]

12 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

According to Kinta’s video Tochinoshin claimed he didn’t touch out but he may have lost anyway as he looked shini-tai to me.

It was even earlier when he got push backed to the straw bales at the start of the tachiai.


Think back to the Aoiyama-Kisenosato's match (Nagoya 2016?)

Anyway, anyone able to come up with a new kimarite for this Aminishiki's win?

Spoiler

And the day 10 cartoons have been updated for Kaisei-Ichinojo match (with the except of Hochi, still waiting on that) & Kitanofuji moonlight as a strip tease in his sekitori days.

 

Edited March 21, 2018 by rhyen

[mikawa 1,794]

That was Yokozuna sumo today from Kakuryu, Ichinojo got both hands on his belt in the bout but it didn't matter. A poor basho so far for Mitakeumi though. I do hope that Sokokurai recovers soon, same with Takakeisho.

[ALAKTORN 346]

Wow Kakuryū. We all thought he was gonna do terribly this basho and there he is 11–0. That was yokozuna sumō too. Not many can out-yori Ichinojō when he’s got both hands on your belt.

Mitakeumi disappointing… what’s going on? When I watched the Abema stream with Konishiki on commentary, he said Mitake could get the yūshō and I agreed at that point. Now he’s looking really bad.

Tochinoshin looked out to me, dunno why he’d say he wasn’t. Also the bout looked like a torinaoshi anyway.

[Dwale 419]

Injured or not, Kakuryu layed down the law today against Ichinojo. That was impressive. He's had some shaky wins this basho, but on the whole he's been exceeding my expectations. 

Mitakeumi is disappointing. He may well be ozeki someday, but he's not ready, whatever his problem is. A shame.

I like Ikioi well enough, but he has never been one of my favorites. That may well change now, as he's been commanding my respect day after day here. 

I'll need to see the Takayasu v Tochinoshin match in higher quality, from a different camera angle...though I guess it doesn't matter now since the call is written in stone. Just curious, really. 

[lackmaker 438]

Think it's pretty clear from Rhyen's photo that Tochinoshin stepped out.

[Philioyamfugi 378]

There must have been a clear mark...  Tochinoshin heal