Basho Talk Haru 2018 (SPOILERS)

[Ack! 433]

On 3/16/2018 at 20:51, Ack! said:

 

I prefer "niyaku" but no one else does.

 

On 3/16/2018 at 21:19, Jakusotsu said:

I bet the Knights of Ni do.

Not even them...  

 

[ALAKTORN 346]

Can’t believe of all people Kaisei is 7–0. lol

Kakuryū didn’t look like he touched out to me.

[maorencze 144]

4 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Kakuryu was just gifted today's win against Takakeisho. His toe clearly touched out first and there was a mark to prove it, but despite a 3-minute monoii the decision stood. Would have liked to have at least seen a torinaoshi there as this could have a significant impact on the outcome of the tourney.

I'd say the "dead body", Takakeisho was clearly defeated with no way of recovering, though - agreed - Kak stepped out first with his toe

EDIT: And to me it still seems he did step out first, after seeing all those angles and replays (doesn't change my "dead body" opinion, though)

Edited March 17, 2018 by maorencze

[RabidJohn 1,663]

I've watched the replay a few times now, and Kakuryu's toe did not touch the sand outside. That said, I don't recall ever seeing an impact on the inside of the tawara send sand up on the outside before, but that's what it looks like to me. Aoiyama was definitely robbed a couple of days ago, but Takakeisho wasn't.

No one seemed to expect much of Kayuryu this basho. He's just there because he drew the short straw this time, right? He's looking okay, though, and for the first time ever I'm kind of rooting for him to take the yusho.

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I wish Shohozan would be a bit more consistent. He can be brilliant to watch at times.

Edited March 17, 2018 by RabidJohn

[Rocks 1,807]

They got the right call with Kakuryu's toe. It was the force of his foot going into an compressing the bale which moves the sand, not his toe itself.

[Rocks 1,807]

Endo really did a bad job against Giku. He got totally out of position at the tachiai. 

[Gospodin 187]

35 minutes ago, Rocks said:

They got the right call with Kakuryu's toe. It was the force of his foot going into an compressing the bale which moves the sand, not his toe itself.

Agreed. The call was perfectly right.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Gospodin
clerical errors

[rhyen 1,809]

check out Ishiura's newest ride.
 

 

[Kintamayama 44,350]

7 hours ago, maorencze said:

I'd say the "dead body", Takakeisho was clearly defeated with no way of recovering, though - agreed - Kak stepped out first with his toe

EDIT: And to me it still seems he did step out first, after seeing all those angles and replays (doesn't change my "dead body" opinion, though)

Well, you got it right. With all due to respect to forum members, I go with what Yamashina Oyakata the head shinpan explained. "Kakuryuu's toe was out, but Takakeishou was falling and considered a dead body. The video booth guy watched it many times," he explained, so let's put that to rest, as we have a first hand explanation. Now, regarding that dead body rule that nobody really gets and has no real boundaries and is put into  effect willy nilly -that's a different story altogether. "Hmm, 'what the hell' is what I felt ," said Kakuryuu. "I thought I had lost. I was weak to not be able to finish my attack," said Takakeishou.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Jakusotsu 5,806]

So, Aoiyama was dead body too against Myogiryu, even without mono-ii?

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

If Dead Body was the reason, then so be it, but I've seen many much deader bodies than that awarded wins over the years in similar respective positions. 

[robnplunder 974]

As much as I don't like the result, shinpans got it right.  Kak should have won, and did.   He deserved the win.   There were worse decisions made by shinpans, far worse.  The no-monoii call on Aoiyama match a few days ago can cost him one of the prizes.  

[Katooshu 3,132]

I think 'robbery' being thrown around to describe Kak-Takakeisho is ridiculous.

I'm hoping for a strong result for Tochinoshin, so I hope that discomfort he seemed to show at the end of his match with Arawashi isn't a sign of bad things to come.

Edited March 18, 2018 by Katooshu

[Tiger Tanaka 222]

The Aoiyama judgement was poor, but the Kakuryu-Takekeisho judgement was spot on. The two different camera angles almost cause an optical illusion where you question whether or not it was the force of hitting the tawara or Kak's toe stepping out. Regardless, it was shini-tai, correctly implemented by the judges this time.

I wouldn't have minded Kakuryu losing either, as I'd like to see Mitakeumi get back into yusho contention or Kaisei pull off an upset yusho.

[Amamaniac 2,078]

Although Kinta-san has more or less put the debate about what decided the Kakuryu-Takakeisho bout to rest, let me just weigh in and say that watching the slow motion replays made me really appreciate the skills of Top Division sumo wrestlers.  

Takakeisho, in particular, did everything right as he was being forced out.  He didn't simply step out on the edge of the ring, but made sure to take a bigger (prolonged) step back down off the ring.  Nothing unusual there; many wrestlers do the same thing in hopes their opponent will step out first.  But if you watch Takakeisho's upper half, rather than focusing on his feet, you will see him using both arms to force Kakuryu out right up until the end.  While it may not have been completely effective, it made me feel that he had not given up the fight and thus was not truly a "dead body".  As for Kakuryu, he too did everything he could to control his body (i.e., feet) at the tawara.  His left foot stepped onto the tawara and his toes pressed down (hard for me to say whether they actually touched out), but he consciously lifted those toes and waited as long as possible to step out with his right foot.  

I was impressed by both wrestlers.

Edited March 18, 2018 by Amamaniac

[Kintamayama 44,350]

9 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

So, Aoiyama was dead body too against Myogiryu, even without mono-ii?

Exactly what i'm complaining about..

[Kuroyama 715]

So who is the guest commentator tonight? They showed a very old clip of one of his bouts, but I couldn't get his name.

[robnplunder 974]

I love Hokutofuji.  So polite, even after a loss.  

Watch out.   Another Mongolian prospect is charging up.  Mitoryu won again.   Looks like he's gonna get the yusho.

[Haruibono 11]

1 hour ago, Kuroyama said:

So who is the guest commentator tonight? They showed a very old clip of one of his bouts, but I couldn't get his name.

I didn't think he was a sumo player, but an actor, Takashi Takano. I think that clip they showed he was acting, as a sumo player.

[Kuroyama 715]

13 minutes ago, Haruibono said:

I didn't think he was a sumo player, but an actor, Takashi Takano. I think that clip they showed he was acting, as a sumo player.

Looked like a real clip to me. If it was a movie, it was a very old one.

[Philioyamfugi 378]

The guest on Albema tv was Baruto ... 

[Yatagarasu 352]

Thoroughly enjoyed the Tochinoshin-Mitakeumi bout today.  Masterful performance from Tochinoshin.

Good bout with Ishiura too.  He had to work hard for it, but a convincing win.

I had the impression that Kotoshogiku-Goeido was a bit of a grudge match.  Is there a history between those two other than Geek fighting against someone of his once-cherished ozeki rank?

I feel for Yoshikaze.  He just seems off.  I can't think that this is simply decline; it's happened too suddenly.

I still can't reconcile myself with Kaisei's joint lead, but on the cusp of week 2, I won't say no to a wild card to shake things up a bit.  

[Rocks 1,807]

Well, with Takayoshitoshi sure to be out the rest of the basho and  Enho 3/4s of the way to MK it looks like we have 2 demotions in Juryo already with 4-0 (soon to be 5-0) Hakuyozan and 4-1 Wakatakakage set to take those 2 spots. But as it's going for lower Juryo it's looking possible that 6 of the 7 promotees are heading back down. It's just stunning that of the 7 promoted Akiseyama is the one to make his KK. 

[ALAKTORN 346]

Kakuryū looking shaky but keeping the zenshō alive.

The ōzeki keep winning and are looking like they want a say in the yūshō race.

Mitakeumi losing again even after a cheap tachiai. :( But it was against Tochinoshin. Tochinoshin still looking good, and showing he’s got more than yorikiri in his arsenal in the last few days (Konishiki said yesterday he came into sumō from jūdō IIRC).

Kaisei 8–0. Woa. How far can he go?

[VirtualSumo 3]

What do people think of Kakuryu's sumo today?  This going backwards and slapping down is still working but I feel sure its shelf life will prove short with customers from sanyaku ranks.  Im expecting another week 2 collapse.