Preparations of the Y/O Haru 2018

[Bumpkin 438]

13 minutes ago, Shatsume said:

Oh I hope beyond hope that Kise sits out until truly ready (if that is ever..), he only has one more shot by his own ultimatum, let's hope he makes it count. Shall we agree that it will be one Yokozuna max starting Haru?

Yes.

[ALAKTORN 346]

I think Hakuhō will enter and maybe even Kakuryū. I don’t see Kakuryū retiring soon. Maybe by the end of the year if he doesn’t get over his injuries, but otherwise I don’t see the problem. I don’t think his injuries are quite career-ending yet, just needs some rest. Kisenosato should’ve retired long ago and won’t amount to anything no matter the amount of rest he takes before his inevitable retirement.

[Katooshu 3,087]

When specifically do you think Kisenosato should've retired?

[Kishinoyama 582]

11 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

When specifically do you think Kisenosato should've retired?

When the decision was made to not have surgery? 

[Rigel 62]

8 hours ago, Kishinoyama said:

When the decision was made to not have surgery? 

Since the decision not to have surgery was made (foolishly) in order to avoid the long rehab and get Kisenosato back to competing earlier, then this opinion is a bit silly.

Edited March 7, 2018 by Rigel

[Kintamayama 44,267]

Goueidou is very optimistic regarding the coming basho, his hometown basho, with many of the top guys probably out. "I'm aiming for the yusho. With every day that passes I'm getting more and more excited," he said.

 

Kisenosato trained lightly today again. No way he's in.

[Churaumi 725]

3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

 

Kisenosato trained lightly today again. No way he's in.

I won’t be surprised either way. He’s hurt, and he’s been broken for a long time now. But I also wouldn’t accuse him or his coaches of showing good judgment the last year or so.

[ALAKTORN 346]

16 hours ago, Katooshu said:

When specifically do you think Kisenosato should've retired?

Before getting his last loss (not fusen) last basho, at the latest.

[Sutārokku 24]

According to tachia.org Tochinoshin injured his left thigh/groin  yesterday and he is now doubtful to participate in the Osaka tournament.

The article reads “Apparently, he hurt that thigh some time during the Hatsu basho and was nursing that injury since. During practice he suddenly let out a yelp and limped out of the dohyo, having aggravated that injury.” It also mentions he was taken to Tokyo io for a medical checkup.

An update was added today March 7: “his stablemaster declared that he is fine and ready for the basho. He is back in Osaka, but has not done keiko today – March 7th”

Can someone confirm this? 

Link: https://www.google.com.do/amp/s/tachiai.org/2018/03/06/tochinoshin-injured-in-practice/amp/

Edited March 7, 2018 by Sutārokku

[Benevolance 2,469]

 

6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Goueidou is very optimistic regarding the coming basho, his hometown basho, with many of the top guys probably out. "I'm aiming for the yusho. With every day that passes I'm getting more and more excited," he said.

 

Goeidou's fan's cheer,
cautiously optimistic,
results may vary.

[Kawabata 270]

2 hours ago, Sutārokku said:

According to tachia.org Tochinoshin injured his left thigh/groin  yesterday and he is now doubtful to participate in the Osaka tournament.

The article reads “Apparently, he hurt that thigh some time during the Hatsu basho and was nursing that injury since. During practice he suddenly let out a yelp and limped out of the dohyo, having aggravated that injury.” It also mentions he was taken to Tokyo io for a medical checkup.

An update was added today March 7: “his stablemaster declared that he is fine and ready for the basho. He is back in Osaka, but has not done keiko today – March 7th”

Can someone confirm this? 

Link: https://www.google.com.do/amp/s/tachiai.org/2018/03/06/tochinoshin-injured-in-practice/amp/

This has been covered in the other preparation thread (as Tochinoshin is not a Yokozuna/Ozeki - which this thread is covering)

 

[Kishinoyama 582]

15 hours ago, Rigel said:

Since the decision not to have surgery was made (foolishly) in order to avoid the long rehab and get Kisenosato back to competing earlier, then this opinion is a bit silly.

Since not having the surgery,  Kisenosato is approaching Terunofuji level sumo. The decision not to have surgery has doomed his career. Nothing silly about that. He could have had the surgery and taken his time coming back. As a yokozuna he would have been given leeway. Heck, I don't even like the guy but it is sad to see him struggling

I know their have been lots of arguments on the forum about whether a rikishi should have surgery or not. It seems like in almost every recent case, the decision is made to let the injury heal with 'rest'. And in almost all of those cases, the rikishi reinjures the problem area. Maybe Endo will be the exception. 

[Dapeng 232]

3 hours ago, Kishinoyama said:

Since not having the surgery,  Kisenosato is approaching Terunofuji level sumo. The decision not to have surgery has doomed his career. Nothing silly about that. He could have had the surgery and taken his time coming back. As a yokozuna he would have been given leeway. Heck, I don't even like the guy but it is sad to see him struggling

I know their have been lots of arguments on the forum about whether a rikishi should have surgery or not. It seems like in almost every recent case, the decision is made to let the injury heal with 'rest'. And in almost all of those cases, the rikishi reinjures the problem area. Maybe Endo will be the exception. 

He is formally out of Haru basho.

[Kintamayama 44,267]

"He really wants to enter, but he also wants to do it in a proper way. He has been moving his body somewhat, but cannot train as he wishes.." explained Tagonoura Oyakata on Kisenosato's kyujo, sixth straight basho now. "I  want him to be able to do sumo that will make the fans happy. For that, he needs to continue his treatment and strengthen his body and soul. That is our first priority," he summed.

Edited March 8, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 44,267]

If all three Yokozunae will be kyujo from day 1, it will be the first time since the Showa era that this will happen.

[RabidJohn 1,638]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

"... That is our first priority," he summed.

No reflection on your translation, Moti-san, but I was wondering: is the Japanese word for 'first' and 'last' the same, or should you really have used 'dissembled' rather than 'summed'?

Edited March 8, 2018 by RabidJohn

[rhyen 1,799]

Anyone want to start a pool/poll on Kisenosato’s intai announcement date?

[Rigel 62]

9 hours ago, Kishinoyama said:

Since not having the surgery,  Kisenosato is approaching Terunofuji level sumo. The decision not to have surgery has doomed his career. Nothing silly about that. He could have had the surgery and taken his time coming back. As a yokozuna he would have been given leeway. Heck, I don't even like the guy but it is sad to see him struggling

I know their have been lots of arguments on the forum about whether a rikishi should have surgery or not. It seems like in almost every recent case, the decision is made to let the injury heal with 'rest'. And in almost all of those cases, the rikishi reinjures the problem area. Maybe Endo will be the exception. 

I don't really disagree with any of this. He should have had the surgery, and not doing so likely doomed any chances he ever had of coming back to Yokozuna-level sumo. He and/or his coaches either didn't listen to the doctors or they idiotically ignored their advice to rush him back.

However, thats not the question. The question was, when do you think Kisenosato should have retired, and you said as soon as he elected not to get the surgery. That opinion is silly, full stop. If you want to argue that he should have retired as soon as he realized he made a terrible career-ending mistake and realized he should have gotten the surgery and it is now too late, then that would instead be a fine time to argue as when he should have retired.

Edited March 8, 2018 by Rigel

[Kintamayama 44,267]

Hakuhou and Kakuryuu will announce their final decision tomorrow morning. "The pain is still there," said Miyagino Oyakata of Hakuhou.

Kakuryuu, went for degeiko to Tokitsukaze: "I'm about 80%. I still feel I need to be able to get a better grip," said Kakuryuu.

[Rocks 1,805]

No surprise with Kisenosato.  Question is who does show up? They are going to try and make at least one Yokozuna show. My money is on Hakuho.

[Tsubame 355]

8 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

If all three Yokozunae will be kyujo from day 1, it will be the first time since the Showa era that this will happen.

And that is the reason, why I do not believe that all three yokozuna will be kyujo. I rather believe that they will have made some kind of "horsetrading" with at least one of the three: stay at minimum five days from the beginning in Haru and when you go kyujo after this, we will not reprimand you afterwards for it. Promised.

[Rocks 1,805]

7 minutes ago, Tsubame said:

And that is the reason, why I do not believe that all three yokozuna will be kyujo. I rather believe that they will have made some kind of "horsetrading" with at least one of the three: stay at minimum five days from the beginning in Haru and when you go kyujo after this, we will not reprimand you afterwards for it. Promised.

That or Hakuho and Kakuryu are waiting to see if the other bows out. The last one standing is guaranteed the last match each day. That's a lot of kensho, even if you only win 5. 

[Atenzan 1,074]

9 minutes ago, Rocks said:

That or Hakuho and Kakuryu are waiting to see if the other bows out. The last one standing is guaranteed the last match each day. That's a lot of kensho, even if you only win 5. 

Kensho money for five bouts, compared to the rest of their pay, is tuppence ha'penny. Especially in Hakuhou's case. 

Edited March 8, 2018 by Atenzan

[Rocks 1,805]

43 minutes ago, Atenzan said:

Kensho money for five bouts, compared to the rest of their pay, is tuppence ha'penny. Especially in Hakuhou's case. 

I don't know. The half they get in cash for winning those 5 last matches comes out to about $45,000. I think even Haukho would show up for 45K for a couple hours work a day for a week.

[Akinomaki 39,568]

Kakuryu decided to enter, say NSK people. http://rd.kyodo-d.info/np/2018030801002134?c=39546741839462401