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Kintamayama    19,945

Drring drrring.. Drring drring..

Hak: "i gotta change my ringtone-it's so 1960s.. Just as I'm listening to Hendrix. I love the break where he sings 'Excuse me, while I kiss this judge!'  Damn phone. OK, OK, yes?"

Rijicho: 'Hello Yokozuna. Everyone is wondering how you are.."

Hak: "Who is everyone? Well, i haven't slapped or elbowed anyone lately, so I'm pretty good, except for the two toes. They're calling me 'Two- Toe Phoenix', I hear."

Rij: "Never!! No one would dare!"

Hak: "Well, the sport is going down the drain with everyone hurt or 'hurt' as it were. We even had a Georgian hiramaku  yusho. Imagine that.."

Rij: "Listen, the pre-basho ticket sales are a bit slow compared to the last few bashos.."

Hak: "The Egyptian is driving you crazy, huh? Get it? Driving you crazy?"

Rij: "This is no laughing matter.."

Hak: "indeed. The cool guys bringing in the crowds are out. Shall I count them? Ura, Ounoshou, Kisenosato and who knows who else is hiding secret injuries. It's time you figure out a way to make them heal properly, or you'll soon have a Daishoumaru yusho. And you guys squabbling with each other like three year old kids because of the elections..  By the way-what is it you actually called about? Are you selling a new line of scarves?"

Rij: "We taught HIM a lesson, didn't we.. I was just checking in on your status, that's all.."

Hak (Godfather impression): "I'll tell you what my status is. No pay, no play. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out, yes? When my salary starts appearing in my bank account, my toes will start appearing in the ring. Capice?"

Rij: "Sorry, non comprende Italiano. But from your tone, I sense you are threatening me. I do not deal well with threats !!"

Hak: "Then good luck next basho with Nishikigi and some more oshidashis!!"

Click.

This never happened. It's just a very, very belated invitation to play GTB, the only sumo game played between basho when some people are in Thailand having fun, supposedly.

Rules: Guess the Banzuke. Simple. You get two points for a bulls-eye and one point for just getting the rank right. You get no points for cooking Pad Thai.

Tiebreakers - Most total guesses, then, we check the banzuke backwards - getting the lower half right will be important.  The most correct guesses in the last ten places will win the tiebreaker. If still tied , we go up a ranking at a time like a penalty shootout. Then some fresh coconut juice.
It's up to you to check if you are on the list of entries. It's going to be your fault if you don't notice that your entry went missing in the Internet void. No late entries will be expected or accepted.

For rules, standings and happy endings go to:
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For the nifty entry form:
http://sumodb.sumoga...b/GTBEntry.aspx

For the "new" archives:
http://sumodb.sumoga...gtbarchive.aspx

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Deadline- MONDAY, February 19th, 2018 which is too soon, at 18:00 GMT ("Great Massages, Thailand") - PLEASE NOTE-THIS IS ONE WEEK BEFORE THE OFFICIAL BANZUKE ANNOUNCEMENT!!

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Rocks    672

The Rijicho should have offered Hakuho all the free karaoke he wants while in Osaka, that would have got him out. 

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RaeucherLax    82

Well @Rocks, the blind squirrel just submitted his entry. But my expectations are at an all time low...
I was completely sober when I compiled my version of the Banzuke and that just can't be the way the actual committee does it ;-)

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Rocks    672
51 minutes ago, RaeucherLax said:

Well @Rocks, the blind squirrel just submitted his entry. But my expectations are at an all time low...
I was completely sober when I compiled my version of the Banzuke and that just can't be the way the actual committee does it ;-)

HA! (Laughing...) I have the same feeling every time the actual banzuke comes out. Mine is basically done too. I will probably submit it tomorrow or Saturday.

Good luck!!!!

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Benihana    547
On 6.2.2018 at 14:18, Kintamayama said:

Tiebreakers

Honoring the circumstances, shouldn't you call it toebrakers this basho? 

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Kintamayama    19,945
1 hour ago, Benihana said:

Honoring the circumstances, shouldn't you call it toebrakers this basho? 

Excellent..

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Rocks    672

Well, I finally got mine in but I don't have a good feeling about it. It was weird because the part which is usually the toughest for me is the bottom but considering almost everyone there did well last basho it was fairly simple. Or seemed so. 

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WAKATAKE    863

I don't comment about these much since I don't do so great, but one thing I did was kept Geek in the same position. Seeing how everybody else did somehow I couldn't justify moving him down at all.

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Rocks    672
On 2/15/2018 at 02:50, WAKATAKE said:

I don't comment about these much since I don't do so great, but one thing I did was kept Geek in the same position. Seeing how everybody else did somehow I couldn't justify moving him down at all.

I did the same. The way it worked out there was just no way to move him down. I also only moved Shodai from M4e to M4w. 

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Rocks    672
On 2/6/2018 at 08:18, Kintamayama said:

Drring drrring.. Drring drring..

Hak: "Moshi?"

Rijicho "Moshi, moshi! Yokozuna you are supposed to say Moshi twice."

Hak: "Why? What senses does that make? Why say the same thing twice? You don't hear Americans saying Hello, Hello or Italians saying Pronto, Pronto do you?"

Rijicho: "Well, that's just the Japanese way Yokozuna. I can explain it to you but it may take a while."

Hak: "Don't bother. My toes are killing me and I don't have the patience right now."

Rijicho: " Please say it isn't so! I'm praying for the health of your toes every day."

Hak: "Very kind, thank you. What do you want?"

Rijicho: " Well, there it's less than 24 hours to go till the deadline and only a little over 60 players have entered for Guess the Banzuke. We are concerned about the popularity of Sumo and were hoping you could do something about it."

Hak: "Is EVERYTHING my responsibility now? Why me?"

Rijicho: "You are the Yokozuna! Who could possibly be better?"

Hak: " In this case I can only think of one man. I'll call Moti and ask him to post something on Sumo Forum."

Rijicho: "Sumo forum? What is that? Do you think it would help?"

Hak: "It's an  English language sumo fan site and it's sure to help if Moti does it."

Rijicho: "Oh! Sumo fans! Sounds interesting. Do you think I should be reading the posts there?"

Hak: "You? I wouldn't recommend it."

Rijicho: "Very well, you know best Yokozuna. Please appeal to Motisan as soon as possible."

Hak: "Sure thing. Gotta go know. My toe masseuse is here. Moshi, Moshi."

Rijicho: " Yes?"

Hak: " Yes what? " I was going to hang up."

Rijicho: "You don't say it when you hang up."

Hak: "Whatever." 

Click

 

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Kintamayama    19,945

Today's headline-Deadline today!! Deadline today!! Deadline today!!

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kuroimori    1,550

Done! entry no. 69! We can make it 70, 80 or even 90, right?

Get your entries in, Gamers!

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Kintamayama    19,945
4 hours ago, kuroimori said:

Done! entry no. 69! We can make it 70, 80 or even 90, right?

Get your entries in, Gamers!

70-ish with two hours-ish to go.

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Asashosakari    9,839

74 entries in the end, including all of the top 28 of the current GTB ranking.

The race for the next top 10:

On 26.12.2017 at 13:53, Asashosakari said:

Discounted next ranking (i.e. for after the Haru competition, with the scores from that still to come)...in brackets the current rankings and scores:

 1 Chishafuwaku   4.383  ( 1 / 5.469)
 2 Okisuruga      4.271  ( 2 / 5.336)
 3 Gurowake       4.147  ( 4 / 5.202)
 4 Asashosakari   4.106  ( 3 / 5.314)
 5 Pandaazuma     4.057  ( 5 / 5.193)
 6 Tenshinhan     3.998  ( 9 / 5.083)
 7 Ganzohnesushi  3.983  (18 / 4.973)
 8 Konosato       3.969  ( 7 / 5.121)
 9 Jakusotsu      3.966  (10 / 5.016)
10 Feginowaka     3.951  ( 8 / 5.119)
11 Ullishimaru    3.936  ( 6 / 5.167)

Hard for anyone else to gain the top spot unless the two frontrunners both flounder in Haru, but between them it's definitely an open race...0.112 ranking points is only a difference of about 5-6 points in the actual GTB competition.

Big improvement possible for Ganzohnesushi who's "defending" by far the worst record from a year ago (0.846 base points, 5-10 equivalent). On the flipside: Multiple winner Susanoo had a yusho-doten score back then and is projected to drop to 27th from currently the 14th rank. (The yusho winner by tie-break was Sakura, slated to move 38th -> 48th.)

Of course lots more players can break into the top 10 from further down with a great result; these are just the ones who merely need to hold place in order to do it.


As usual my attempt, for admiration or ridicule:

Kakuryu (Y2e 11-4)      Y1   Hakuho (Y1e 2-3-10)
Kisenosato (Y1w 1-6-9)  Y2   ---
Takayasu (Ow 12-3)      O    Goeido (Oe 8-7)
Mitakeumi (Se 8-7)      S    Tochinoshin (M3w 14-1 Y)
Ichinojo (M1w 10-5)     K    Chiyotairyu (M3e 8-7)

Endo (M5w 9-6)          M1   Tamawashi (Sw 6-9)
Arawashi (M4w 8-7)      M2   Takakeisho (Ke 5-10)
Kotoshogiku (M2w 7-8)   M3   Takarafuji (M6e 8-7)
Onosho (Kw 4-6-5)       M4   Shodai (M4e 7-8)
Shohozan (M9e 9-6)      M5   Chiyomaru (M9w 9-6)
Hokutofuji (M1e 4-11)   M6   Kaisei (M8w 8-7)
Yoshikaze (M2e 4-11)    M7   Abi (M14e 10-5)
Kagayaki (M12w 9-6)     M8   Okinoumi (M5e 5-10)
Chiyoshoma (M7e 6-9)    M9   Chiyonokuni (M7w 6-9)
Daieisho (M13w 9-6)     M10  Ryuden (M16e 10-5)
Tochiozan (M8e 6-6-3)   M11  Yutakayama (M14w 9-6)
Kotoyuki (M11e 7-8)     M12  Ishiura (M15e 9-6)
Daishomaru (M11w 7-8)   M13  Ikioi (M6w 4-11)
Asanoyama (M16w 9-6)    M14  Nishikigi (M15w 8-7)
Sokokurai (M12e 6-9)    M15  Myogiryu (J1e 10-5 Y)
Daiamami (M17e 8-7)     M16  Hidenoumi (J3w 10-5 D)
Aoiyama (J2w 9-6)       M17  ---

After my last few entries underwent quite some last-minute revisions I ended up sending in almost exactly my first draft here this time (only Myogiryu/Daiamami got flipped late).

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Atenzan    671

Away from Athens, don't have any way to compress and embed my guess. I'm hesitant in leaving two 7-8 men undemoted and, as always, placing the Juryo promotees. We'll see. 

As I was making my final banzuke, a shipwright walked in, asked me how I do the del symbol, asked me what the hell I was doing, then after being satisfied yet uninterested in my response, walked away with my blue pen. 

My guess

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Tsuchinoninjin    260
3 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

 

After my last few entries underwent quite some last-minute revisions I ended up sending in almost exactly my first draft here this time (only Myogiryu/Daiamami got flipped late).

I was a lot more harsh on the Komusubi and consequently Hokutofuji etc...

I considered more along your lines but I decided to be strict to 'demote all the mk guys then just fill in with the kk guys'

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Fujisan    184

 

"Really Mr Wolf how can you expect to do well at this game when you get the most basic  things wrong? Takayasu-Goeido......"

Back to the drawing board.........

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Rocks    672
6 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

After my last few entries underwent quite some last-minute revisions I ended up sending in almost exactly my first draft here this time (only Myogiryu/Daiamami got flipped late).

Yes, I didn't make any revisions but I kept looking at it thinking I should but nothing seemed better than my first draft. Yours is kinda similar to mine but I couldn't see keeping Takakeisho as high as M2 so that is why I left Giku there. I didn't  split up Kotoyuki/Daishomaru either. 

It was tough doing M8-M12 with the bottom of Maegashira doing so well and the guys dropping to fill those spots so I basically decided to under-promote the M15/M16 guys.

My picks: 

   

    Yokozuna E: Kakuryu Y2e (11-4)

    Yokozuna W: Hakuho Y1e (2-3-10)

  Yokozuna E2: Kisenosato Y1w (1-5-9)

       Ozeki E: Takayasu O1w (12-3)

      Ozeki W: Goeido O1e (8-7)

    Sekiwake E: Mitakeumi S1e (8-7)

    Sekiwake W: Tochinoshin M3w (14-1)

    Komusubi E: Ichinojo M1w (10-5)

    Komusubi W: Chiyotairyu M3e (8-7)

  Maegashira E: Endo M5w (9-6)

  Maegashira W: Tamawashi S1w (6-9)

Maegashira E2: Arawashi M4w (8-7)

Maegashira W2: Kotoshogiku M2w (7-8)

Maegashira E3: Takarafuji M6e (8-7)

Maegashira W3: Takakeisho K1e (5-10)

Maegashira E4: Onosho K1w (4-6-5)

Maegashira W4: Shodai M4e (7-8)

Maegashira E5: Shohozan M9e (9-6)

Maegashira W5: Chiyomaru M9w (9-6)

Maegashira E6: Kaisei M8w (8-7)

Maegashira W6: Hokutofuji M1e (4-11)

Maegashira E7: Kagayaki M12w (9-6)

Maegashira W7: Yoshikaze M2e (4-11)

Maegashira E8: Abi M14e (10-5)

Maegashira W8: Daieisho M13w (9-6)

Maegashira E9: Yutakayama M14w (9-6)

Maegashira W9: Okinoumi M5e (5-10)

Maegashira E10: Chiyoshoma M7e (6-9)

Maegashira W10: Chiyonokuni M7w (6-9)

Maegashira E11: Ryuden M16e (10-5)

Maegashira W11: Tochiozan M8e (6-6-3)

Maegashira E12: Kotoyuki M11e (7-8)

Maegashira W12: Daishomaru M11w (7-8)

Maegashira E13: Ishiura M15e (9-6)

Maegashira W13: Ikioi M6w (4-11)

Maegashira E14: Asanoyama M16w (9-6)

Maegashira W14: Nishikigi M15w (8-7)

Maegashira E15: Myogiryu J1e (10-5)

Maegashira W15: Sokokurai M12e (6-9)

Maegashira E16: Daiamami M17e (8-7)

Maegashira W16: Hidenoumi J3w (10-5)

Maegashira E17: Aoiyama J2w (9-6)

 

 

 

 

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Feginowaka    34
17 hours ago, Asashosakari said:


As usual my attempt, for admiration or ridicule:

 

Kakuryu (Y2e 11-4)      Y1   Hakuho (Y1e 2-3-10)
Kisenosato (Y1w 1-6-9)  Y2   ---
Takayasu (Ow 12-3)      O    Goeido (Oe 8-7)
Mitakeumi (Se 8-7)      S    Tochinoshin (M3w 14-1 Y)
Ichinojo (M1w 10-5)     K    Chiyotairyu (M3e 8-7)

Endo (M5w 9-6)          M1   Tamawashi (Sw 6-9)
Arawashi (M4w 8-7)      M2   Takakeisho (Ke 5-10)
Kotoshogiku (M2w 7-8)   M3   Takarafuji (M6e 8-7)
Onosho (Kw 4-6-5)       M4   Shodai (M4e 7-8)
Shohozan (M9e 9-6)      M5   Chiyomaru (M9w 9-6)
Hokutofuji (M1e 4-11)   M6   Kaisei (M8w 8-7)
Yoshikaze (M2e 4-11)    M7   Abi (M14e 10-5)
Kagayaki (M12w 9-6)     M8   Okinoumi (M5e 5-10)
Chiyoshoma (M7e 6-9)    M9   Chiyonokuni (M7w 6-9)
Daieisho (M13w 9-6)     M10  Ryuden (M16e 10-5)
Tochiozan (M8e 6-6-3)   M11  Yutakayama (M14w 9-6)
Kotoyuki (M11e 7-8)     M12  Ishiura (M15e 9-6)
Daishomaru (M11w 7-8)   M13  Ikioi (M6w 4-11)
Asanoyama (M16w 9-6)    M14  Nishikigi (M15w 8-7)
Sokokurai (M12e 6-9)    M15  Myogiryu (J1e 10-5 Y)
Daiamami (M17e 8-7)     M16  Hidenoumi (J3w 10-5 D)
Aoiyama (J2w 9-6)       M17  ---

After my last few entries underwent quite some last-minute revisions I ended up sending in almost exactly my first draft here this time (only Myogiryu/Daiamami got flipped late).

Not bad, this guess... but the correct Banzuke is here:

Kakuryu (Y2e 11-4)      Y1   Hakuho (Y1e 2-3-10)
Kisenosato (Y1w 1-6-9)  Y2   ---
Takayasu (Ow 12-3)      O    Goeido (Oe 8-7)
Mitakeumi (Se 8-7)      S    Tochinoshin (M3w 14-1 Y)
Ichinojo (M1w 10-5)     K    Chiyotairyu (M3e 8-7)

Tamawashi (Sw 6-9)      M1   Endo (M5w 9-6)
Arawashi (M4w 8-7)      M2   Takarafuji (M6e 8-7)
Kotoshogiku (M2w 7-8)   M3   Takakeisho (Ke 5-10)
Shohozan (M9e 9-6)      M4   Chiyomaru (M9w 9-6)
Shodai (M4e 7-8)        M5   Onosho (Kw 4-6-5)
Kaisei (M8w 8-7)        M6   Hokutofuji (M1e 4-11)
Abi (M14e 10-5)         M7   Yoshikaze (M2e 4-11)
Kagayaki (M12w 9-6)     M8   Daieisho (M13w 9-6)
Ryuden (M16e 10-5)      M9   Chiyoshoma (M7e 6-9)
Okinoumi (M5e 5-10)     M10  Chiyonokuni (M7w 6-9)
Yutakayama (M14w 9-6)   M11  Tochiozan (M8e 6-6-3)
Ishiura (M15e 9-6)      M12  Kotoyuki (M11e 7-8)
Daishomaru (M11w 7-8)   M13  Asanoyama (M16w 9-6)
Ikioi (M6w 4-11)        M14  Nishikigi (M15w 8-7)
Myogiryu (J1e 10-5 Y)   M15  Sokokurai (M12e 6-9)
Daiamami (M17e 8-7)     M16  Hidenoumi (J3w 10-5 D)
Aoiyama (J2w 9-6)       M17  ---

Interestingly you favor the mk's over the kk's in every single case where we have a difference (only exception Endo)

We will see, if the committee also is as lenient to mk's as you or also as generous to kk's as me.

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Feginowaka    34
On ‎26‎.‎12‎.‎2017 at 13:53, Asashosakari said:

Turns out I spoke too soon. While chishafuwaku is losing his lowest score next, #2 Okisuruga is in the same situation and stands to gain even more.

Discounted next ranking (i.e. for after the Haru competition, with the scores from that still to come)...in brackets the current rankings and scores:

 1 Chishafuwaku   4.383  ( 1 / 5.469)
 2 Okisuruga      4.271  ( 2 / 5.336)
 3 Gurowake       4.147  ( 4 / 5.202)
 4 Asashosakari   4.106  ( 3 / 5.314)
 5 Pandaazuma     4.057  ( 5 / 5.193)
 6 Tenshinhan     3.998  ( 9 / 5.083)
 7 Ganzohnesushi  3.983  (18 / 4.973)
 8 Konosato       3.969  ( 7 / 5.121)
 9 Jakusotsu      3.966  (10 / 5.016)
10 Feginowaka     3.951  ( 8 / 5.119)
11 Ullishimaru    3.936  ( 6 / 5.167)

Hard for anyone else to gain the top spot unless the two frontrunners both flounder in Haru, but between them it's definitely an open race...0.112 ranking points is only a difference of about 5-6 points in the actual GTB competition.

Big improvement possible for Ganzohnesushi who's "defending" by far the worst record from a year ago (0.846 base points, 5-10 equivalent). On the flipside: Multiple winner Susanoo had a yusho-doten score back then and is projected to drop to 27th from currently the 14th rank. (The yusho winner by tie-break was Sakura, slated to move 38th -> 48th.)

I didn't do such a calculation, but I think that Nantonoyama and Akinomaki have a good chance to enter the Top 10.
Sure, I hope that they DO NOT, as it's me who's on the brink

 

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Asashosakari    9,839

Yes, here's how that projected list continues for the current top 28 players:

12 Akinomaki      3.926  (13 / 4.992)
13 Nantonoyama    3.924  (12 / 4.997)
14 Sukubidubidu   3.905  (20 / 4.952)
15 Jejima         3.888  (21 / 4.946)
16 Momijibasi     3.872  (17 / 4.974)
17 Taxinohana     3.853  (15 / 4.986)
18 Yubinhaad      3.850  (11 / 5.015)
19 Shimanoumi     3.834  (25 / 4.864)
20 Kitakachiyama  3.828  (19 / 4.959)
21 Seki Haruaki   3.820  (24 / 4.872)
22 Gonzaburow     3.816  (23 / 4.874)
23 Flohru         3.810  (22 / 4.906)
24 Tsuchinoninjin 3.790  (16 / 4.986)
25 Kuroimori      3.772  (27 / 4.826)
26 Heriokuno      3.758  (35 / 4.709)
27 Susanoo        3.747  (14 / 4.987)
..
34 Kaiomitsuki    3.674  (28 / 4.812)
..
37 Frinkanohana   3.650  (26 / 4.840)

Of course, what that also indicates is that, for most players, their next position depends almost entirely on what they score next, not on what they are defending. It's only players who had an exceptionally good or bad result 6 tournaments ago who are already set to move a lot of places. (And here in the upper section of the rankings, everybody is scoring above-average, so even a low score to defend is no guarantee that you'll actually move up.)

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