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Kisenosato-"I'm putting everything on the line!"

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1 hour ago, John Gunning said:

Some rikishi like Takekaze seemed to be in the local gym every time I went there to work out.

Quite funny for a rikishi whose preferred modus operandi is to avoid physical contact.

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Weeeeelllll....

Is not like i'm trying to jinx the guy but...You do need two major pectoralis muscles to properly grab a mawashi, you boys know...i don't think the stem cells researchers can make it in 3 basho´s time...

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2 minutes ago, Burajirotono said:

You do need two major pectoralis muscles to properly grab a mawashi,

There are plenty of examples how to survive without ever going near the mawashi, but Kisenosato is not one of them, I'm afraid, and even less so as yokozuna.

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On 25/01/2018 at 15:04, Naganoyama said:

Unfortunately he doesn't handle pressure well, so self-imposed extra pressure might not be helpful.

While I have been one to regularly mention Kise's difficulties dealing with pressure (to wit, he needs a good sport's psych), he has also, every now and then when the pressure has been excruciating, managed to come through. To yusho and get the rope, then to beat Terunofuji when injured for the yusho spring to mind, but there was also a basho a few years ago where he had a classic stare down with Hak for about 30 seconds and then actually convincingly beat him in the bout. That hasn't happened very often. 

But I suspect this might not be one of those times (given the addition of the physical injury), unfortunately...

 

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1 hour ago, Morty said:

While I have been one to regularly mention Kise's difficulties dealing with pressure (to wit, he needs a good sport's psych), he has also, every now and then when the pressure has been excruciating, managed to come through. To yusho and get the rope, then to beat Terunofuji when injured for the yusho spring to mind, but there was also a basho a few years ago where he had a classic stare down with Hak for about 30 seconds and then actually convincingly beat him in the bout. That hasn't happened very often. 

But I suspect this might not be one of those times (given the addition of the physical injury), unfortunately...

 

He has shown glimpses of mental strength throughout his career, but never any consistency until his yokozuna run. Unfortunately now with that type of injury, all the mental strength in the world will not help him. For whatever reason surgery was not elected, it has finished his career as a rikishi.

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One wonders if having a wife would have done anything to push Kisenosato toward surgery at the time. Something about having a significant other tends to help put life in perspective at difficult times. Look at Tochinoshin...well, that’s not fair since he’s European. Let’s take Kotoshogiku instead. He’s had a really tough time what with his demotion from Ozeki. His wife, whose adoring eyes make me feel jealous every time I see them in pictures together, is probably a great source of strength for him. People kept speculating he would retire, but he keeps on just the same. 

 

I hope this isn’t too far off topic, in any event. I have always liked Kise, though, and feel some concern for his mental well-being. I hope he has someone special in his life (or finds one soon). He will hopefully need an okamisan someday. 

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The YDC hinted that Kisenosato can attend and pull out for one more basho, and still he will be given one more chance. The YDC is exceptionally mercy with him.

 

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He still has a chance for surgery, many papers about success of delayed pec ruptures being operated on. Issue is they don't allow you to is the arm much for 3 months then no using for strength over 50% of pre lifting weight for another 3 months, he'd be out for nearly a year after surgery.

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3 hours ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

He still has a chance for surgery, many papers about success of delayed pec ruptures being operated on. Issue is they don't allow you to is the arm much for 3 months then no using for strength over 50% of pre lifting weight for another 3 months, he'd be out for nearly a year after surgery.

Apparently the surgery itself is much more difficult after a delay of months to years, and the chance of re-injury is quite a bit higher as well. Quite sad that it has come to this.

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3 hours ago, Dapeng said:

The YDC hinted that Kisenosato can attend and pull out for one more basho, and still he will be given one more chance. The YDC is exceptionally mercy with him.

 

i bet there waiting for takayasu or goeido to show some yokozuna potential.

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4 hours ago, Dapeng said:

The YDC hinted that Kisenosato can attend and pull out for one more basho, and still he will be given one more chance. The YDC is exceptionally mercy with him.

 

He's got time. They have to set up Takayasu for promotion first.

 

Sidenote: Akihito will be emperor for another year and few months. I bet my house on someone (Japanese) born in the era to become Yokozuna before the retirement. Takayasu is the prime candidate for that.

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2 hours ago, yorikiried by fate said:

He's got time. They have to set up Takayasu for promotion first.

Speaking of, won't Taka have to make up a new shikona once a potential promotion becomes serious? Or has there been a Yokozuna in the past who used their real name?

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2 minutes ago, Taikoubana said:

Speaking of, won't Taka have to make up a new shikona once a potential promotion becomes serious? Or has there been a Yokozuna in the past who used their real name?

Wajima for starters.

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52 minutes ago, Asojima said:

Wajima for starters.

Actually, only Wajima ;-)

 

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9 hours ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

He still has a chance for surgery, many papers about success of delayed pec ruptures being operated on. Issue is they don't allow you to is the arm much for 3 months then no using for strength over 50% of pre lifting weight for another 3 months, he'd be out for nearly a year after surgery.

Although this type of surgery has a doubtful prognosis for an active rikishi, I can see why Kisenosato may still want to have it done--after he retires. If he stays in sumo (which I'm sure he will), he will be training rikishis. That will include facing them on a one-on-one basis. Since his ruptured pec is in a weakened condition, that could be difficult for him to do on a daily basis. Because the injury will undergo considerably less stress during training sessions than it would in competition, the surgery should allow it to become strong enough to allow him to instruct others the way he would want it be done. Just a thought. 

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On 25.1.2018 at 05:42, Otokonoyama said:

I suspect it is his torn pec that is is holding him back. Looking at various clinics' and surgeons'  homepages, it seems that of those with that injury who do not opt for surgery, about 50% do not return to their former strength. Of those who do have the tear surgically repaired, greater than 95% do regain their former strength. Kisenosato appears to be in the half of those who choose to let nature take its course that never return to their former peak.

Is that a kind of surgery that you can do immediately or not at all, like some shoulder tears ?

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On 1/24/2018 at 23:42, Otokonoyama said:

I suspect it is his torn pec that is is holding him back. Looking at various clinics' and surgeons'  homepages, it seems that of those with that injury who do not opt for surgery, about 50% do not return to their former strength. Of those who do have the tear surgically repaired, greater than 95% do regain their former strength. Kisenosato appears to be in the half of those who choose to let nature take its course that never return to their former peak.

I also saw a report saying that without surgery repair, the patients could only regain about 50% of their pre-injury strength, but with proper surgery repair the patients regained more than 90% of pre-injury strength. Clearly, Kise lost much of his strength because no surgery repair was performed. It's said that he re-injuried the pec major during the hatsu basho. Now the YDC did not give him a deadline, he should take two or three bashos off to heal and train. Next time he attend a basho, he may manage around 10 wins which is a passing score.

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23 hours ago, PawnSums said:

i bet they're waiting for takayasu or goeido to show some yokozuna potential.

If they're waiting for Goeido to look like a Yokozuna...

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While some of us are wondering why space invaders used his look to mimic a sekitori for their zensho-yusho trial

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I sure do hope that Kisenosato can pull through. Hopefully he decides to skip the March tournament and maybe May as well. It would be quite a shame if he had to retire. As I am trying to go see sumo in July I do hope that he will be on the dohyo, stay the entire time, and get at least 10 wins. It would be terrible not see my favorite wrestler up there when I finally get to see it live. But I'm wishing Kisenosato all the best. 

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A new list of the worst yokozuna in the 6 basho era since 1958, basically from the 44th yokozuna on (+41st Chiyonoyama), in terms of winning percentage in the first 5 days of a basho (jobansen), where a loss is the most disappointing for the fans http://www.oita-press.co.jp/1010000000/2018/03/05/143927857

5. 66th Wakanohana III 66.7% (26-13) with a 70.9% percentage of doing those bouts (fusen+/- also don't count)

4. 46th Asashio 65.6% (39-26) with 76.3% fought

3. 63rd Asahifuji 63.2% (24-14) - 84.4%

2. 49th Tochinoumi 60% (39-26) - 76.5%

 

1. 72nd Kisenosato 56% (14-11) - 83.3%

 

He may expand his lead further, but likely next basho just reduce the rate of doing the bouts

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