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Persistence Watch - 2018 edition

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A day belated, the nakabi standings of our intrepid persisters in the first basho of 2018:

Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho
Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 14 Jonokuchi 24 West Jonokuchi 18 1-93-1 0.011 0-7 0-4
Sawanofuji Isegahama Haru 2016 10 Jonokuchi 8 West Jonidan 110 16-59 0.213 2-5 3-1
Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 5 Jonokuchi 23 West Jonidan 100 13-26-7 0.333 Mz 1-4 2-2
Chiyotaiko Kokonoe Haru 2017 4 Jonokuchi 2 West Jonokuchi 2 11-21 0.344 3-4 1-3
Toyama Musashigawa Haru 2017 4 Jonokuchi 4 West Jonokuchi 4 11-21 0.344 3-4 2-2
Sekizukayama Tagonoura Haru 2017 4 Jonokuchi 6 West Jonokuchi 6 9-24 0.273 3-4 1-3
Kotoimagawa Sadogatake Haru 2017 4 Jonokuchi 9 East Jonokuchi 9 8-24 0.250 2-5 2-2
Hayasaka Tokitsukaze Haru 2017 5 Jonokuchi 10 West Jonokuchi 10 7-25 0.219 1-6 0-4
Matsuoka Azumazeki Haru 2017 4 Jonokuchi 24 East Jonokuchi 16 7-13-12 0.350 0-1-6 1-3
Koreyasu Asakayama Natsu 2017 3 Jonokuchi 4 East Jonokuchi 4 10-15 0.400 3-4 1-3
Nakano Miyagino Haru 2017 3 Banzuke-gai Jonokuchi 8 9-12-7 0.429 0-0-7 Mz 1-5

Sawanofuji has picked up where he left off in Kyushu, getting a lucky schedule full of fellow persisters but also scoring wins against them. This is the first time ever that he's got to the 3-win mark - will he go all the way and break the KK barrier as well? The rest of the lineup is the usual mixed bag of middling and less than middling records, which may or may not produce a KK between them somewhere. (Spoiler: Toyama is 3-2 after Day 9.)

Nakano has immediately returned to action after falling off the banzuke after Kyushu, and while he has looked pretty hapless there, let's keep in mind that he actually had three consecutive 3-4 records before. (If you ever needed evidence that the average maezumo session is of a significantly higher standard than jonokuchi...)

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Amazing, just amazing. Hattorizakura's Legend is never going to be broken, ever.

Smart man though! He will forever be remembered as the worst rikishi/or rikishi who has the worst record in all of Sumo.

But! He will be remembered. Most of the rikishi can't ever say they will be remembered, forever.

Actually, I cannot even remember anyone who is the worst in any sport, but Hattorizakura is undisputed ''Peristance King'' and will be remembered.

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1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

Win%

Shouldn't that be multiplied by 100?

 

Signed, Captain Picky

 

 

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3 hours ago, Jyuunomori said:

Actually, I cannot even remember anyone who is the worst in any sport, but Hattorizakura is undisputed ''Peristance King'' and will be remembered.

Underdogs who try hard are always loved.
Maybe it was before your time when "Eddie the Eagle" tried to make it in the skijumping circuit? There was a Greek speed skater once too...

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I remember Eddie the Eagle with great fondness! And I don't think I will forget Hattorizakura either.

 

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20 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

 (If you ever needed evidence that the average maezumo session is of a significantly higher standard than jonokuchi...)

The same is the case when you look at the bottom of Jonokuchi, which is practically always stronger than the top of the division; the bottom of the division is new recruits and people that have taken time off, the top of the division are those that might show up in this thread.  It was interesting to me to see the "winner" of Mz last time lose this basho to the 3 other competent rikishi joining at the same time as him; I assume (like Homarenishiki, for instance) he'll get his 4-3 pretty easily and at least 6-1 in lower Jonidan, possibly losing to one of the three he lost to this time.

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Looking back, his day 8 match was a great contest. That 2nd win is coming at some point soon if he sticks it out. He's actually improving too much to quit now.

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I meant to cut some jonokuchi videos and then post the Hatsu summary, but I never got around to it last month... :-S So, catching up...

Sawanofuji unfortunately squandered his opportunity, falling from 3-1 to makekoshi (still his first-ever 3-4 record), but Toyama turned in an unexpected streak of victories and went from 1-2 all the way to a 5-2 finish. Congrats! A strong follow-up to Kyushu basho where he had participated in his first KK-deciding bout.

Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho
Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 14 Jonokuchi 24 West Jonokuchi 18 1-96-1 0.010 0-7 0-7
Sawanofuji Isegahama Haru 2016 11 Jonokuchi 8 West Jonidan 110 16-62 0.205 2-5 3-4
Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 6 Jonokuchi 23 West Jonidan 100 13-29-7 0.310 Mz 1-4 2-5
Chiyotaiko Kokonoe Haru 2017 5 Jonokuchi 2 West Jonokuchi 2 13-22 0.371 3-4 3-4
Toyama Musashigawa Haru 2017 4 Jonokuchi 4 West Jonokuchi 4 14-21 0.400 3-4 5-2
Sekizukayama Tagonoura Haru 2017 5 Jonokuchi 6 West Jonokuchi 6 9-27 0.250 3-4 1-6
Kotoimagawa Sadogatake Haru 2017 5 Jonokuchi 9 East Jonokuchi 9 9-26 0.257 2-5 3-4
Hayasaka Tokitsukaze Haru 2017 5 Jonokuchi 10 West Jonokuchi 10 9-26 0.257 1-6 2-5
Matsuoka Azumazeki Haru 2017 5 Jonokuchi 24 East Jonokuchi 16 9-14-12 0.391 0-1-6 3-4
Koreyasu Asakayama Natsu 2017 4 Jonokuchi 4 East Jonokuchi 4 11-17 0.393 3-4 2-5
Nakano Miyagino Haru 2017 3 Banzuke-gai Jonokuchi 8 9-12-7 0.429 0-0-7 Mz 1-5

Two more members besides the aforementioned had kachikoshi opportunities in Hatsu - Chiyotaiko went from 1-3 to 3-3 but unfortunately fell at the last hurdle unluckily against a jonidan-ranked opponent, and Kotoimagawa was even 3-2 (from 1-2) but wasn't able to win in either KK decider. As with Sawanofuji, this was also Kotoimagawa's very first 3-win record.

Matsuoka made his first full-basho appearance in half a year, but wasn't able to get kachikoshi at the very bottom of the division (despite avoiding all the stronger shindeshi down there). With Nakano rejoining us via maezumo, we'll be having all current members on the Haru banzuke for the first time since Kyushu 2015.

The only rikishi on a 2-MK streak was banzuke-gai, so no additions to the club this time.

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Chiyotaiko received a somewhat unexpected (by me anyway) promotion to jonidan on his Hatsu 3-4 record.

Haru basho through Day 8:

Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho
Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 15 Jonokuchi 24 West Jonokuchi 18 1-100-1 0.010 0-7 0-4
Sawanofuji Isegahama Haru 2016 11 Jonokuchi 3 East Jonidan 110 17-65 0.207 3-4 1-3
Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 6 Jonokuchi 12 East Jonidan 100 14-32-7 0.304 2-5 1-3
Chiyotaiko Kokonoe Haru 2017 5 Jonidan 104 East Jonidan 104 14-25 0.359 3-4 1-3
Kotoimagawa Sadogatake Haru 2017 5 Jonokuchi 3 West Jonokuchi 3 11-28 0.282 3-4 2-2
Matsuoka Azumazeki Haru 2017 5 Jonokuchi 9 West Jonokuchi 9 11-16-12 0.407 3-4 2-2
Hayasaka Tokitsukaze Haru 2017 5 Jonokuchi 10 East Jonokuchi 10 10-29 0.256 2-5 1-3
Sekizukayama Tagonoura Haru 2017 5 Jonokuchi 10 West Jonokuchi 6 10-30 0.250 1-6 1-3
Koreyasu Asakayama Natsu 2017 4 Jonokuchi 5 East Jonokuchi 4 13-19 0.406 2-5 2-2
Nakano Miyagino Haru 2017 3 Jonokuchi 23 West Jonokuchi 8 11-14-7 0.440 Mz 1-5 2-2

Good that nobody has joined Hattorizakura (and his 100 loss anniversary) in starting 0-4, not so good that nobody is 3-1 either. Still, after 5 consecutive tournaments with at least one graduation, let's keep up hope that the streak will continue.

Two rikishi are trying to stay off the list this basho, those being Asahio (3-1 right now), and Houn - who has, however, already punched his persistence ticket by starting the basho 0-4 for his third straight MK.

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Day 9/10:

Welp, Hattorizakura went against career 2-17 rookie Houn and it once again demonstrated that he just doesn't have any offense to speak of. Even if your opponent lets you, you can only stalemate him in the middle of the ring for so long...

Satoiazuma and Sekizukayama met head-to-head, with the former sending the latter to makekoshi. Also 1-4 after losses are Sawanofuji and Chiyotaiko now, while Hayasaka joined Satoiazuma in avoiding that fate for the moment; they're 2-3. Nakano has that record as well, but after a loss. The other 2-2 trio Kotoimagawa, Matsuoka and Koreyasu were all successful and will receive two kachikoshi opportunities.

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Days 11 and 12 weren't kind to our persisters - 1 win and 9 losses, and the victory came in a match between club members. Kotoimagawa, Matsuoka and Koreyasu all missed out in their KK opportunities and dropped to 3-3, while Satoiazuma, Hayasaka and Nakano fell to 2-4 and makekoshi. Also 2-4 is Sawanofuji who sent Sekizukayama to 1-5, a record now also held by our sole jonidan representative Chiyotaiko. Hattorizakura picked up his 6th loss, and he was also our sole rikishi to already have match #7 today on Day 13, the outcome of which you can probably guess.

Kotoimagawa and Matsuoka will have their final shot at kachikoshi tomorrow, Koreyasu has to wait until senshuraku (where he meets our official club mascot Moriurara, if I'm not mistaken).

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Finishing things up here...

Decent enough results for our persisters on Days 14 and 15 with four shiroboshi, two of them against outside competition. The two bouts with clubmates going head to head were both fought in the 2-4 section and saw Nakano beat Satoiazuma and Hayasaka defeat Sawanofuji, so the winners finish 3-4 while the losers have to be content with 2-5 records. Chiyotaiko is also 2-5 after victory over veteran ex-persister Daiisshin, but the most crucial win of the day was produced by Matsuoka who prevailed in his KK decider and thus ends the basho with a 4-3 kachikoshi. Congrats! :-) Our graduation streak remains alive.

Kotoimagawa and Koreyasu weren't so fortunate, however, and fell to 3-4 on the final weekend. Both of them have now blown 4 KK opportunities, each going 3-4 twice from a 3-2 lead. And last not least Day 15 also brought a loss for Sekizukayama who ends his Hatsu campaign at 1-6.

The final standings:

Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho
Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 15 Jonokuchi 24 West Jonokuchi 18 1-103-1 0.010 0-7 0-7
Sawanofuji Isegahama Haru 2016 12 Jonokuchi 3 East Jonidan 110 18-67 0.212 3-4 2-5
Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 7 Jonokuchi 12 East Jonidan 100 15-34-7 0.306 2-5 2-5
Chiyotaiko Kokonoe Haru 2017 6 Jonidan 104 East Jonidan 104 15-27 0.357 3-4 2-5
Kotoimagawa Sadogatake Haru 2017 6 Jonokuchi 3 West Jonokuchi 3 12-30 0.286 3-4 3-4
Matsuoka Azumazeki Haru 2017 5 Jonokuchi 9 West Jonokuchi 9 13-17-12 0.433 3-4 4-3
Hayasaka Tokitsukaze Haru 2017 6 Jonokuchi 10 East Jonokuchi 10 12-30 0.286 2-5 3-4
Sekizukayama Tagonoura Haru 2017 6 Jonokuchi 10 West Jonokuchi 6 10-33 0.233 1-6 1-6
Koreyasu Asakayama Natsu 2017 5 Jonokuchi 5 East Jonokuchi 4 14-21 0.400 2-5 3-4
Nakano Miyagino Haru 2017 4 Jonokuchi 23 West Jonokuchi 8 12-16-7 0.429 Mz 1-5 3-4


Nakano's maezumo record in January wasn't great, but in competition that matters he now has four straight 3-4 records for his career. Should be only a matter of time until he catches the right breaks to get to 4 wins. Koreyasu isn't far behind in all likelihood after four 3-4's and one 2-5 in his five career basho. Chiyotaiko has failed to reach three wins for the first time in four tournaments and ought to be a KK candidate for the near future as well.

Kotoimagawa's win-loss total doesn't look as good as those of the three rikishi mentioned in the previous paragraph, but he also has an interesting (and encouraging) set of results after completing his first year on the banzuke: two 1-6's followed by two 2-5's followed by two 3-4's (with the aforementioned multiple KK deciders). Sekizukayama on the other hand has gone back-to-back 1-6 for the first time now. Satoiazuma has posted his 6th straight 2-5 record, albeit with his two-year absence in the middle of it.


Anyway, while we bid goodbye to graduate Matsuoka it's also time to hand out another persister mawashi:

Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% 2017.11 2018.01 2018.03
Houn Minezaki Aki 2017 3 Jonokuchi 11 West Jonokuchi 11 3-19 0.136 1-6 1-7 1-6

Call me crazy, but I think we'll have him with us for a while, barring intai.
 

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23 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:
Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% 2017.11 2018.01 2018.03
Houn Minezaki Aki 2017 3 Jonokuchi 11 West Jonokuchi 11 3-19 0.136 1-6 1-7 1-6

Call me crazy, but I think we'll have him with us for a while, barring intai.
 

I had to check on those wins to confirm my hunch, and yes, he has only beaten Hattorizakura.

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On 1/22/2018 at 02:02, Yamanashi said:

Shouldn't that be multiplied by 100?

Signed, Captain Picky

Well, at least it's not just me.

** nits picked, cheaper by the dozen **

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17 hours ago, Asashosakari said:
Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% 2017.11 2018.01 2018.03
Houn Minezaki Aki 2017 3 Jonokuchi 11 West Jonokuchi 11 3-19 0.136 1-6 1-7 1-6

Where does that 1-7 come from? Did he have that extra bout because another rikishi needed an opponent to get his 7th?

 

Edit: And again something i have not seen before. I love sumo :)

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13 minutes ago, Benihana said:

Where does that 1-7 come from?

Most commonly occurs when there is an odd number of rikishi available for day 13.  One of the lowest ranked jonokuchi usually gets stuck with an 8th match on day 14 or 15. 

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On 4/14/2018 at 00:24, Benihana said:

Where does that 1-7 come from? Did he have that extra bout because another rikishi needed an opponent to get his 7th?

 

Edit: And again something i have not seen before. I love sumo :)

Just for extra info, a win in such a bout is called a kachidoku and a loss is a makedoku. :)

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A tribute to Hattorizakura - the loss collection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRGR92rBD_w

Apart from his usual fan channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5tkU788jIPBWH8Lk3Y8mUg/videos, another channel this year changed to "Hattorizakura channel", about Sumo Samurai Hattorizakura https://www.youtube.com/user/mexicansportsindian/videos

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Our persisters through Day 8 of the Natsu basho.

A bit surprisingly they promoted only some of the jonokuchi 3-4's to jonidan after Haru basho, so Kotoimagawa and Koreyasu have made lucky jonidan debuts while Hayasaka and Nakano only moved to high jonokuchi. Chiyotaiko was already in jonidan in March and managed to stick despite his 2-5 record.
 

Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho
Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 16 Jonokuchi 34 East Jonokuchi 18 1-107-1 0.009 0-7 0-4
Sawanofuji Isegahama Haru 2016 12 Jonokuchi 1 West Jonidan 110 19-70 0.213 2-5 1-3
Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 7 Jonokuchi 6 East Jonidan 100 17-36-7 0.321 2-5 2-2
Chiyotaiko Kokonoe Haru 2017 6 Jonidan 112 East Jonidan 104 18-28 0.391 2-5 3-1
Kotoimagawa Sadogatake Haru 2017 6 Jonidan 110 West Jonidan 110 14-32 0.304 3-4 2-2
Hayasaka Tokitsukaze Haru 2017 6 Jonokuchi 1 East Jonokuchi 1 13-33 0.283 3-4 1-3
Sekizukayama Tagonoura Haru 2017 6 Jonokuchi 7 West Jonokuchi 6 11-36 0.234 1-6 1-3
Koreyasu Asakayama Natsu 2017 5 Jonidan 111 East Jonidan 111 17-22 0.436 3-4 3-1
Nakano Miyagino Haru 2017 4 Jonokuchi 4 West Jonokuchi 4 14-18-7 0.438 3-4 2-2
Houn Minezaki Aki 2017 4 Jonokuchi 8 East Jonokuchi 8 3-23 0.115 1-6 0-4

I noted the most likely four KK candidates for the near future at the end of Haru - Chiyotaiko, Kotoimagawa, Koreyasu and Nakano - and in fact they're all 2-2 or 3-1 here, along with recent returnee Satoiazuma, so it's looking good for at least one graduation again. Hattorizakura (despite a gritty Day 6 bout) and fresh arrival Houn are unfortunately 0-4 already.

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Updates through Day 12...

It wasn't long after nakabi that the first graduation was looming: Koreyasu and Chiyotaiko at 3-1 were actually paired up for round 5, so one kachikoshi was inevitable at that point. Koreyasu was the one who took that bout. Chiyotaiko bounced back from the defeat, however, and collected his own 4th win today. (Against Shunpo: 6 basho persistence, 4-3, 5 more makekoshi.)

Our trio of 1-3's: All of them are 2-4 now. Hayasaka and Sekizukayama went makekoshi immediately. Sawanofuji beat super-veteran Sawaisamu (not same stable, despite the shikona similarity) first but then also succumbed to MK today - against fellow persister Nakano. Speaking of whom...

The three 2-2's: Two of them are still in the kachikoshi race. Both Nakano and Kotoimagawa had a loss followed by a win to find themselves 3-3 now. Satoiazuma wasn't so fortunate and dropped to 2-4.

Houn and Hattorizakura unfortunately fell to 0-6, and they're not even going to face each other this basho, Houn being scheduled against a 1-5 opponent for his last match and Hattorizakura going against an injury returnee. Nakano and Kotoimagawa will also be in action in a couple of hours.

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57 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Hattorizakura going against an injury returnee.

That's just incredibly unfair.  The whole idea of these guys saving themselves one basho on the way back up at the cost of flattening some 0-6 rikishi just isn't appealing to me.

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1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

Our trio of 1-3's: All of them are 2-4 now. Hayasaka and Sekizukayama went makekoshi immediately.


By the way, Sekizukayama's second win came in a ni-ban-go torinaoshi against Morita. The original bout was halted after over four minutes when their yotsu battle showed no sign of approaching a conclusion. Sekizukayama finally triumphed in the second attempt ten minutes later. In fact, Sekizukayama is now 1-1 in ni-ban-go torinaoshi - his first came in Nagoya last year, when he eventually lost against Wakainoue. (Article, since I couldn't find a video)

And regarding Hattorizakura, it seems even the perpetually crocked Kitasatsuma was too much for him again, so now he has 88 consecutive losses.

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