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Basho Talk Hatsu 2018 (SPOILERS)

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18 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

I guess we'll have only one yokozuna in the 2nd week

Looks like. I think Kise will wait for one more loss to leave, which he is sure to get. And Hakuho looks like he has zero interest in being there.

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Yeah like I mentioned earlier, Kisenosato losing his 3rd bout already is not encouraging and almost a worst case scenario, especially to a couple rank and filers.  If this was Kakuryu the calls for retirement would be overwhelming, does this performance put Kisenosato on a make or break basho next time, or is his time already running out and if he gives up another gold star that's it?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Wamahada said:

Kisenosato should retire - his mental strength is not yokozuna-like.

 

his MENTAL strength?

kisenosato is just  injured.....he cannot use his left arm 

quite sure he will not recover and intai is just a matter of time....

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2 hours ago, Rocks said:

Come Kisenosato, losing to Geeku? Seriously? 

In defence of Geeku, he does have a winning record over Kisenosato, though admittedly Kise didn't look good and definitely shouldn't have gone down like that. Though if Geeku can get his 6th ever win against Hakuho tomorrow though then somethings definitely up with him too

I mean I knew something had happened when I started getting alert after alert from this thread, but I definitely wasn't expecting that Hakuho/Yoshikaze result...

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3 hours ago, Rocks said:

Takayasu got robbed. Tochinoshin's heel was out. I can't believe there wasn't even a monoli for that. 

It was certainly monoii worthy, but I thought the top of Takayasu's foot was the first thing down or out. 

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Where the hell is this 'tadpole' meme coming from?? I keep seeing it.

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Five Yokozuna losses already, and we're not yet a third of the way in, incredible. However, with how well Kakuryu's been performing so far, the Yusho may yet go to a Yokozuna.

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18 minutes ago, Pandaazuma said:

Where the hell is this 'tadpole' meme coming from?? I keep seeing it.

I know it from Tachiai:

https://tachiai.org/2018/01/11/hatsu-story-4-the-tadpole-army/

https://tachiai.org/tag/angry-tadpole-squad/

https://tachiai.org/tag/battle-of-the-angry-tadpoles/

https://tachiai.org/tag/onosho-the-mighty-tadpole/ etc etc

Not sure if its from somewhere else before though?

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3 hours ago, Rocks said:

Hakuho looks like he has zero interest in being there.

I think he has used all his energy reserves for the first week in the bout against Ichinojo and aggravated some old injury, which will appear on the medical certificate.

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1 hour ago, Katooshu said:

It was certainly monoii worthy, but I thought the top of Takayasu's foot was the first thing down or out. 

I don't know. If you stop @Kintamayama video at 13:48 it sure looks like Tochi's heel is touching the dirt right where it meets the bale just prior to Takayasu's foot top hitting. At least to me. One thing for sure is that was more than worthy of a do over. The idea they didn't even call a monoli to look at the video is crazy to me.

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Should've been a monoii but I'm 99% sure Tochinoshin's heel didn't touch out first as his foot stayed straight the entire way of the bale. 

Anyway Kisenosato should either take enough time off to completely recover or intai. Going on like this has no use. I'm also not sure when Terunofuji will finally be healthy again. Crazy to think that if he sits out a couple of basho, he'll be in the lower ranks. Imagine a healthy Terunofuji bullying kids in Jonokuchi.

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This is turning into a great basho. Some fantastic matches. .Tochinoshin must have not left a mark on the sand.  The up and comers are doing some heavy hitting and good sumo. My boy kagayki doing well, just wish to see him morph hs attack into a grip when getting the upper hand, but what do I know. He's got fast hands. Goeido Vs, kakaryu for the cup with several rikishi all in the running

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35 minutes ago, Rocks said:

I don't know. If you stop @Kintamayama video at 13:48 it sure looks like Tochi's heel is touching the dirt right where it meets the bale just prior to Takayasu's foot top hitting. At least to me. One thing for sure is that was more than worthy of a do over. The idea they didn't even call a monoli to look at the video is crazy to me.

With HDTV it was clear his heel did not touch the sand outside the tawara, but yeah it was close. The shimpan can have a look to see if any impression has been made in the sand if there is any doubt. We've all seen missed calls, but that wasn't the case here.

 

Not sure if the res is good enough, but perhaps.

 

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Hakuho lost. Kisenosato lost. Is anyone here surprised? I don't think. Nothing needs to be said about Kisenosato. As to Hakuho, he already showed little interest to compete in this basho even before the basho got started,  not to say that he is technically disadvantaged. Being forbidden to use two types of tachiai he will definitely hesitate at the tachiai and I've predicted that he will lose more frequently. 

Both Kisenosato and Hakuho will withdraw from this basho, although I do hope they can press on, as Harumafuji did in last autumn. 

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8 minutes ago, Philioyamfugi said:

This is turning into a great basho. Some fantastic matches. .Tochinoshin must have not left a mark on the sand.  The up and comers are doing some heavy hitting and good sumo. My boy kagayki doing well, just wish to see him morph hs attack into a grip when getting the upper hand, but what do I know. He's got fast hands. Goeido Vs, kakaryu for the cup with several rikishi all in the running

With Kisenosato not performing,  this basho is definitely not a great one.

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I find it deliciously ironic that Hakuho is handing out kinboshi while going without pay. (Laughing...)

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10 minutes ago, Philioyamfugi said:

This is turning into a great basho. Some fantastic matches. .Tochinoshin must have not left a mark on the sand.  The up and comers are doing some heavy hitting and good sumo. My boy kagayki doing well, just wish to see him morph hs attack into a grip when getting the upper hand, but what do I know. He's got fast hands. Goeido Vs, kakaryu for the cup with several rikishi all in the running

Yeah I am enjoying this one. Some excellent bouts so far. Hakuho will have to decide tonight whether he wants this one or not. Kisenosato is currently Maegashira level. He won't finish this tournament.

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2 minutes ago, CT3* said:

 

I find it deliciously ironic that Hakuho is handing out kinboshi while going without pay. (Laughing...)

I have been idly wondering whether or not he would turn up this time, given that particular punishment. He hasn't turned up yet...but he put a bit of effort into his first two wins. I hope for the sake of the tournament he makes it interesting for Kakuryu and stays in.

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4 minutes ago, Pandaazuma said:

Yeah I am enjoying this one. Some excellent bouts so far. Hakuho will have to decide tonight whether he wants this one or not. Kisenosato is currently Maegashira level. He won't finish this tournament.

Kise is never gonna improve from this point, given the nature of his pec injury

 

3 minutes ago, Pandaazuma said:

I have been idly wondering whether or not he would turn up this time, given that particular punishment. He hasn't turned up yet...but he put a bit of effort into his first two wins. I hope for the sake of the tournament he makes it interesting for Kakuryu and stays in.

With YDC messing with his tachiai, Taka crazies campaigning against him, receiving death threats and NSK taking away his payment, I'd say it's pretty much a given that he doesn't feel like doing it. Still one has to wonder why did he enter in the first place, with so few time between basho to redesign and re-perfect his tachiai

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And it's only day four...

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The new guard is coming, they feel so confident that the olds ones seems to be in real troubles. Injuries have become so important as the size and the power of rikishi has increased lately, sumo will be more surprising and amazing. And sad, also. Terunofuji may now pay the eating habits related to his career.

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If I remember correctly (I apologize in advance if I'm not) Hakuhō only started using the "slap and grab" tachiai sometime last year - around Nagoya, I think - because of injuries, I seem to recall.
Before that he usually met his opponents "head on".

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5 minutes ago, MrGrumpyGills said:

If I remember correctly (I apologize in advance if I'm not) Hakuhō only started using the "slap and grab" tachiai sometime last year - around Nagoya, I think - because of injuries, I seem to recall.
Before that he usually met his opponents "head on".

Yep, and more frequent kachiage as well. Around his feet trouble he switched from head on to looking for a way to stay strong. He did, they took it from him and now...it remains to be seen

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Kakuryu yusho. He is up for it. Goeido and Mitakeumi might push him...but it is his.

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