Harumafuji scandal thread- part 2

[Asashosakari 20,270]

Just caught up with the news from the board of trustees meeting, and was surprised to read that apparently just 5 of the 7 members were in attendance. But I haven't found it mentioned anywhere who did attend, other than chairwoman Ikenobo and member Konishi (and I only know that since he was present at the press conference). Has anyone seen more details?

[Kintamayama 47,275]

1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

A decent article about the whole incident and putting it into context, featuring comments by John.

(via Gaijingai on the SML)

I'd say all issues brought up were covered by members on the forum- and most of us are in full agreement with the content.

[Kintamayama 47,275]

42 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Just caught up with the news from the board of trustees meeting, and was surprised to read that apparently just 5 of the 7 members were in attendance. But I haven't found it mentioned anywhere who did attend, other than chairwoman Ikenobo and member Konishi (and I only know that since he was present at the press conference). Has anyone seen more details?

I'd guess the other three were the three ex-rikishi. Doesn't seem to me they could be absent for any reason.. I think I read that Chairwoman Ikenobo did not participate in the voting itself (has no vote?). They needed 4 votes to pass the resolution and at least 4 to be present, if I'm not mistaken.

Edit-Ootake Oyakata is a member of the Takanohana Ichimon. Maybe he "fell ill" and didn't participate?? And who replaced Yamahibiki?

Edited January 5, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Asashosakari 20,270]

17 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

I'd guess the other three were the three ex-rikishi. Doesn't seem to me they could be absent for any reason.. I think I read that Chairwoman Ikenobo did not participate in the voting itself (has no vote?). They needed 4 votes to pass the resolution and at least 4 to be present, if I'm not mistaken.

I've found it now (Hochi) and you're right, the other three were the oyakata trio. If I read Ikenobo's press conference comments at Sankei right, she may only vote to break a tie, so she didn't here. I believe simple majority is enough though as long as the minimum 4 are present, so 3 votes out of 5 would have done it.

And yeah, the most notable fact about the 4-0 unanimous decision against Takanohana is arguably indeed that Otake hails from his own camp.

Edit:

17 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

And who replaced Yamahibiki?

ex-Miyabiyama (Futagoyama) went in to replace him after the last election cycle.

Edited January 5, 2018 by Asashosakari

[Kintamayama 47,275]

Ms. Ikenobo, head of the trustees council that affirmed Takanohana's punishment was on TV, speaking about Takanohana: "I definitely do not dislike him. I think he's great.  but I think he should give more though to what he is wearing. Wearing that scarf, it is inappropriate for a rijikai. I've been hearing many people's ideas lately, and if he wants to become the Kyokai's next leader and bring about changes I want him to win over as many supporters as he can. I really want him to open up his heart and have faith in me.."

[Akinomaki 41,838]

As was inevitable, there will be no tenran-zumo (imperial family watching) at the basho because of the ongoing scandals. The Imperial household agency announced it today. The imperial couple had come to watch the last 3 years, the NSK refrained from proposing an invitation this time. http://rd.kyodo-d.info/np/2018011101001383?c=39546741839462401

Edited January 11, 2018 by Akinomaki

[kawika 123]

2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Ms. Ikenobo, head of the trustees council that affirmed Takanohana's punishment was on TV, speaking about Takanohana: "I definitely do not dislike him. I think he's great.  but I think he should give more though to what he is wearing. Wearing that scarf, it is inappropriate for a rijikai. I've been hearing many people's ideas lately, and if he wants to become the Kyokai's next leader and bring about changes I want him to win over as many supporters as he can. I really want him to open up his heart and have faith in me.."

what am i missing?  all the posts of this across multiple pages and Ikenobo-san has a problem with his scarf?????

[orandashoho 720]

26 minutes ago, kawika said:

what am i missing?  all the posts of this across multiple pages and Ikenobo-san has a problem with his scarf?????

Kintamayama called it a "maffia-style scarf" and for all I know this has significant connotations in Japanese culture.
Perhaps it is an anti-authoritarian thing, and it's also a bit odd that the whole family seems to have adopted the style.

Edited January 11, 2018 by orandashoho

[Qwerry 25]

3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Ms. Ikenobo: "I think he should give more though to what he is wearing. Wearing that scarf, it is inappropriate for a rijikai."

E. Envy. :) 

He has style. And I like his style. 

[Kintamayama 47,275]

35 minutes ago, kawika said:

what am i missing?  all the posts of this across multiple pages and Ikenobo-san has a problem with his scarf?????

Yes, and you gotta admit, it looks out of place and well, ridiculous..I think her subtext is "when you're coming for your own hanging, don't bring your own rope.."

Edited January 11, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 47,275]

2 minutes ago, Qwerry said:

E. Envy. :) 

He has style. And I like his style. 

A time and a place for everything, said my late grandmother. I don't think she is against his style (which is arguable, but that's for another day). It's all about the circumstances.

[Akinomaki 41,838]

On 1/11/2018 at 09:48, Kintamayama said:

Ms. Ikenobo, head of the trustees council that affirmed Takanohana's punishment was on TV, speaking about Takanohana: "I definitely do not dislike him. I think he's great.  but I think he should give more though to what he is wearing. Wearing that scarf, it is inappropriate for a rijikai. I've been hearing many people's ideas lately, and if he wants to become the Kyokai's next leader and bring about changes I want him to win over as many supporters as he can. I really want him to open up his heart and have faith in me.."

Ikenobo had a wide show appearance today and said on Goody Goodday that she was deeply hurt by the severe bashing she's experiencing in the media - for having spoken those foul words about THE ONE.

o o o o

She forgot that she's living in Japan, where nobody may go unpunished who in public denigrates the saviour of Japanese sumo

Edit: about 1 hour, her interview mixed with other sumo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpIhW4MeTBU&t=4m2s

Edited January 12, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Kintamayama 47,275]

54 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Ikenobo had a wide show appearance today and said on Goody Goodday that she was deeply hurt by the severe bashing she's experiencing in the media - for having spoken those foul words about THE ONE.

o o o o

She forgot that she's living in Japan, where nobody may go unpunished who in public denigrates the saviour of Japanese sumo

She also announced she will not be speaking to the media anymore and changed her mobile phone number. Looks like you're on a holy mission there, brothers..

Edited January 12, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Burajirotono 99]

The skarf is just tacky...But that f* purse...Bitch please...

[Akinomaki 41,838]

Another punishment for Harumafuji: he will have no yusho portrait presentation.

It was planned at first that Isegahama-oyakata and Hakuho would be present at the kokugikan front door after the dohyo matsuri tomorrow for the presentation of the 2 recent yusho portraits, but it will be only Hakuho with his. And the unveiling ceremony before the start of makuuchi will also be just for Hakuho - Harumafuji's will be hanging already with all the others. http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2018/01/12/kiji/20180112s00005000336000c.html

Edited January 12, 2018 by Akinomaki

[rhyen 1,858]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

Another punishment for Harumafuji: he will have no yusho portrait presentation.

It was planned at first that Isegahama-oyakata and Hakuho would be present at the kokugikan front door after the dohyo matsuri tomorrow for the presentation of the 2 recent yusho portraits, but it will be only Hakuho with his. And the unveiling ceremony before the start of makuuchi will also be just for Hakuho - Harumafuji's will be hanging already with all the others. http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2018/01/12/kiji/20180112s00005000336000c.html

Did the same thing happen to Asashoryu's portrait for the 2010 Hatsu basho as well?

[orandashoho 720]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

Harumafuji's [yusho portait] will be hanging already with all the others.

That is only logical. He is entitled to the portrait, that is part of his yusho in September, but not to any publicity appearances after a retirement enforced by misconduct.

Edited January 12, 2018 by orandashoho

[rhyen 1,858]

Sure, Harumafuji won’t be there to receive it.

why can’t his shisho since Takasago did do for the final Asashoryu Yusho portrait?

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/19683-asashouryuu-after-intai-preparations/?do=findComment&comment=188877

[orandashoho 720]

13 minutes ago, rhyen said:

why can’t his shisho since Takasago did do for the final Asashoryu Yusho portrait?

Because Isegahama is suffering punishment as well. Even if part of it is voluntary, staying away and not placing undue attention to the portrait would be better than the association with scandal that Harumafuji's portrait would evoke.

[rhyen 1,858]

Takasago was also demoted 2 ranks and received a pay cut, same as Isegahama back then. 

Just now, orandashoho said:

Because Isegahama is suffering punishment as well. Even if part of it is voluntary, staying away and not placing undue attention to the portrait would be better than the association with scandal that Harumafuji's portrait would evoke.

 

[Dapeng 236]

Those involved in the scandal:

Harumafuji: retired before being forced to, ordered to pay 500,000 Japanese yen (about $5000) by the court.

Isegahama: self-demoted by two levels from riji (director) position.

Hakuho: no salary for 3 months, criticized/warned for what he said at the yusho interview.

Kakuryu: no salary for 1 months.

Hakkaku: no salary for 3 months.

Takanoiwa: siting-out two bashos resulting in demotion to the bottom of juryo from makuuchi.

Takanohana: disciplined by the kyokai (demotion by two levels from riji (director) position).

Clearly, Takanohana got the second most severe punishment.

[orandashoho 720]

1 hour ago, rhyen said:

Takasago was also demoted 2 ranks and received a pay cut, same as Isegahama back then. 

Good point; maybe it's just the Kokikugan being extra careful to avoid controversy after all the trouble they've been having these past few months.

[Qwerry 25]

11 hours ago, Dapeng said:

Hakuho: no salary for 3 months

Why 3? Maybe, 1.5?

[Akinomaki 41,838]

15 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

It was planned at first that Isegahama-oyakata and Hakuho would be present at the kokugikan front door after the dohyo matsuri tomorrow for the presentation of the 2 recent yusho portraits, but it will be only Hakuho with his. And the unveiling ceremony before the start of makuuchi will also be just for Hakuho - Harumafuji's will be hanging already with all the others.

Slight difference - the yusho portrait of Harumafuji was actually also at the door - with nobody there to accept congratulations

[Akinomaki 41,838]

The medical certificate for Takanoiwa - it's amazing how a creative oyakata by mind power alone can make a rikishi declared fit into a wreck that can't do sumo for many months

3 months no impact to the head - doctor comment: "I think it would be difficult for him to go to work in January"