Harumafuji scandal thread- part 2

[rhyen 1,808]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

Harumafuji seems to have been officially appointed to coach at Isegahama-beya, he's at the Osaka location of the heya now.

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Does the NSK have to approve the appointment or is it an heya arrangement?

Edited February 28, 2018 by rhyen

[Akinomaki 39,763]

1 hour ago, rhyen said:

Does the NSK have to approve the appointment or is it an heya arrangement?

The heya can employ their coaches without the NSK approving of it - only something the public disapproves of might lead to the NSK caution the oyakata

[Benevolance 2,478]

He's already demonstrated a strong and steady hand for keeping younger guys in line. 

 

....maybe too soon? 

[Yamanashi 3,724]

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Benevolance, I found a rimshot emoticon.

[Akinomaki 39,763]

On 1/12/2018 at 13:58, Kintamayama said:

On 1/12/2018 at 13:15, Akinomaki said:

Ikenobo had a wide show appearance today and said on Goody Goodday that she was deeply hurt by the severe bashing she's experiencing in the media

She also announced she will not be speaking to the media anymore and changed her mobile phone number.

At least Ikenobo spoke to radio people again, on the 1st at a news show on Fuji-Sankei related Nippon_Cultural_Broadcasting

About Takanoiwa in public again "I'm very relieved and think it was very good."

About Taka - "Do you like Taka?", "Ill feelings personally?" : "I like him, I have no ill feelings."

interview details: http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/201803010000577.html

Edited March 4, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Stein 30]

Late, but better late than never, i guess...

 

[CT3* 331]

Saw this last night on Youtube and ended up watching it twice. I miss Harumafuji and think that given the current health of the Yokozuna crew, he'd have probably picked up a couple more Yusho.

[Flyric 94]

That karaoke scene at the end was amazing --- mostly because there was one guy really into clapping along.

Edited March 30, 2018 by Flyric

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,244]

The medical certificate for Takanoiwa s non-participation in the haru jungyo was made public today. He is suffering from PTSD and some joint damage in the left leg. It's not clear when or if things can ever be healed (seems like no "3months of rest" that is usually included was present).

[Dapeng 232]

38 minutes ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

The medical certificate for Takanoiwa s non-participation in the haru jungyo was made public today. He is suffering from PTSD and some joint damage in the left leg. It's not clear when or if things can ever be healed (seems like no "3months of rest" that is usually included was present).

Takanoiwa got a kachikoshi in the March basho. Maybe he has some join problem, but the so called "PTSD" is apparently a wuso. Takanohana got demoted 5 rank for playing the Takanoiwa card, but now he is still playing it ...... 

[Akinomaki 39,763]

... and thus was ordered to stay at home

Edited April 4, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Atenzan 1,074]

4 hours ago, Dapeng said:

but the so called "PTSD" is apparently a wuso

You don't know that. You have no way of knowing that. Also, PTSD is not something that should be taken lightly. 

[Dapeng 232]

8 hours ago, Atenzan said:

You don't know that. You have no way of knowing that. Also, PTSD is not something that should be taken lightly. 

He attended a basho and got a kachikoshi. I don't believe anyone with PTSD can possibly handle the stress of such a stressful combat sport as sumo. If he had something right now, it would be "PBSD" - post-basho stress disorder. 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Dapeng

[Fukurou 534]

15 minutes ago, Dapeng said:

I don't believe anyone with PTSD can possibly handle the stress of such a stressful combat sport as sumo.

And that is your opinion. Mine is that PTSD, like many other things, affects everyone differently. You are not Takanoiwa, you have no way of knowing if this is some scam or if he does have PTSD, and if so to what extent.

You might find this interesting, especially how people deal with PTSD (and recall millions of non-famous people deal with it every day)

Edited April 4, 2018 by Fukurou

[kaalapaani 2]

I wonder how the other Mongolian wrestlers are treating Takanoiwa, he is the victim in all this but I'm willing to bet that he's not exactly welcome to their gatherings and is being ignored. I hope he gets better soon and comes back in full force.

[Tochinofuji 372]

47 minutes ago, Dapeng said:

He attended a basho and got a kachikoshi. I don't believe anyone with PTSD can possibly handle the stress of such a stressful combat sport as sumo. If he had something right now, it would be "PBSD" - post-basho stress disorder. 

Military personnel suffering from PTSD enter into far more stressful and combative circumstances regularly before, and possibly after, diagnosis. Lay people commenting on the likelihood of an individual suffering from a psychiatric condition based on an incredibly limited understanding of the condition and with zero interaction with the patient is one of the reasons stigma still attaches to these medical conditions and often go unreported. 

I personally have not been on Takanohana's side throughout all of this, at all, but to try to pass judgment on Takanoiwa and his medical fitness is more than a step too far in my opinion. 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Tochinofuji
Typo.

[RabidJohn 1,663]

If it's post-Takanohana-surrender disorder, then I can believe all his deshi have it.

[Dapeng 232]

38 minutes ago, Tochinofuji said:

Military personnel suffering from PTSD enter into far more stressful and combative circumstances regularly before, and possibly after, diagnosis. Lay people commenting on the likelihood of an individual suffering from a psychiatric condition based on an incredibly limited understanding of the condition and with zero interaction with the patient is one of the reasons stigma still attaches to these medical conditions and often go unreported. 

I personally have not been on Takanohana's side throughout all of this, at all, but to try to pass judgment on Takanoiwa and his medical fitness is more than a step too far in my opinion. 

In the last "Harumafuji scandal" thread that mysteriously disappeared, I half-joked that Takanohana could use "PTSD" as an excuse for Takanoiwa's kyujo from exhibition. I'm amused that he eventually used it My point is, Takanoiwa looked OK and performed better than average juryo in the March basho, although after a long kyujo because of an alleged injury. Now suddenly he is PTSD-ed. I don't think many people will buy it.

 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Dapeng

[Dapeng 232]

1 hour ago, Fukurou said:

Mine is that PTSD, like many other things, affects everyone differently.

You are right. However, if he hadn't attended the March basho, or performed badly or couldn't finish the basho, I could believe that he had PTSD.

[Tochinofuji 372]

24 minutes ago, Dapeng said:

In the last "Harumafuji scandal" thread that mysteriously disappeared, I half-joked that Takanohana could use "PTSD" as an excuse for Takanoiwa's kyujo from exhibition. I'm amused that he eventually used it My point is, Takanoiwa looked OK and performed better than average juryo in the March basho, although after a long kyujo because of an alleged injury. Now suddenly he is PTSD-ed. I don't think many people will buy it.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Dapeng said:

You are right. However, if he hadn't attended the March basho, or performed badly or couldn't finish the basho, I could believe that he had PTSD.

Nothing quite like seeing the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. I think we're all able to sleep much better knowing you aren't providing Takanoiwa with medical care. 

[Atenzan 1,074]

6 minutes ago, Dapeng said:

In the last "Harumafuji scandal" thread that mysteriously disappeared, I half-joked that Takanohana could use "PTSD" as an excuse for Takanoiwa's kyojo from exhibition. I'm amused that he eventually used it My point is, Takanoiwa looked OK and performed better than average juryo in the March basho, although after a long kyujo because of an alleged injury. Now suddenly he is PTSD-ed. I don't think many people will buy it.

 

Or, maybe, like many people suffering from mental illness, Takanoiwa finds himself overwhelmed or helpless by anything except for those things which he can respond to through instinct, such as his bouts? Maybe he does have PTSD, and is displaying a (textbook) heightened fight-or-flight response? Or maybe he did have some kind of postttraumatic stress just a symptom short of a diagnosable disorder during the basho, and after he tried to combat it by trying to persevere in his profession and, presumably, passion, only succeeded in making it worse for himself? 

As Tochinofuji said, Takanoiwa's mental state of affairs is a call none of us should be allowed to make, even in such an informal and anonymous way. I'm not trying to do anything like that, but rather trying to point out that mental illness can affect any person in any number of ways.

Also, for those of us who live with mental illness, who've visited more therapists than GPs, who've been labelled as weak-willed at best and public dangers at worst, often by friends and family, seeing misconceptions about mental illness being perpetuated and seeing serious disorders treated as something society has to "buy" for the patient to be treated in a manner that's somewhat close to appropriately, it doesn't exactly do you a world of good.

[Mufuu 13]

4 minutes ago, Atenzan said:

Also, for those of us who live with mental illness, who've visited more therapists than GPs, who've been labelled as weak-willed at best and public dangers at worst, often by friends and family, seeing misconceptions about mental illness being perpetuated and seeing serious disorders treated as something society has to "buy" for the patient to be treated in a manner that's somewhat close to appropriately, it doesn't exactly do you a world of good.

Thank you. I was about to draft a largely agitated and possibly incomprehensible response along these lines, but you've saved me the effort.

[Asashosakari 18,784]

28 minutes ago, Dapeng said:

You are right. However, if he hadn't attended the March basho, or performed badly or couldn't finish the basho, I could believe that he had PTSD.

It's heartening to know that your oft-demonstrated knowledge of sumo is matched by your medical expertise.

[Akinomaki 39,763]

The problem is not if he has PTSD, but who and what produced it

[Marcus33 10]

PTSD from getting banged on the head with a remote control?  Not only is that silly, it's an insult to military veterans who have the real thing. I'm more inclined to think that Takanohana is just making stuff up.