Asashosakari 18,786 Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) And now things appear to be getting stir-crazy, as Hochi reports that Takanohana has "asked" Otowayama-oyakata (ex-Kobo) in his own stable to leave the Kyokai. The Otowayama share is owned by Kobo as far as the Kyokai is concerned, but the financial power to acquire it was always assumed to have been Takanohana's. It is said that he has been wanting Kobo out for quite a while, but the alleged immediate cause now is that Dewanoumi-ichimon is trying to pull back the Onogawa share, currently borrowed by ex-Daido, also part of Takanohana-ichimon. Takanohana wants him to be able to take over Otowayama instead, which requires jettisoning Kobo as the current holder. Hochi insinuates that Kobo is more expendable than Daido, a member of Onomatsu-beya, whose three election votes and continued goodwill Taka depends on. More to come on this story, I suspect... Edited January 6, 2018 by Asashosakari 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,921 Posted January 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Asashosakari said: Takanohana has "asked" Otowayama-oyakata (ex-Kobo) in his own stable to leave the Kyokai. For a few seconds, I had flashbacks to the few posts that suggested Takanohana might start his own sumo organization apart from the NSK, and that a very different sort of "leaving the Kyokai" was what was being asked here. 2 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,631 Posted January 7, 2018 What made Kobo side with Takanohana in the first place? He wrestled in Miyagino beya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted January 7, 2018 7 hours ago, WAKATAKE said: What made Kobo side with Takanohana in the first place? He wrestled in Miyagino beya. And onward in that thread. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,354 Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) The currently not-well Nishonoseki Oyakata will not be running for riji in January, it was decided today. This was made clear by Minatogawa Oyakata . The nominees from Nishonoseki Ichimon this time will be current riji Oguruma Oyakata and the plan is to add Shibatayama Oyakata who is currently a deputy riji. As for a deputy riji candidate, it has not been decided yet and will be decided on January 23rd. Edited January 16, 2018 by Kintamayama 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,354 Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Takanohana Ichimon had their ichimon-kai today. 11 oyakata present, including the three Oyakata who left Tokitsukaze Ichimon, Minato, Shikoroyama and Tatsutagawa. "Nothing to see here today," said Takanohana later. It is being said now that even if Takanohana wins the elections, the hyogi-in can disqualify him on the grounds that he is "unfit." Present were: Takanohana, Ounomatsu, Ootake, Chiganoura, Shikoroyama, Minato, Tatsunami, Shiranui, Otowayama, Tatsutagawa, and Tokiwayama. Dewanoumi Ichimon met today as well. Edited January 18, 2018 by Kintamayama 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,807 Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Kintamayama said: the hyogi-in can disqualify him on the grounds that he is "unfit." They will cite his suits as evidence. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flyric 94 Posted January 17, 2018 I'm not familiar with who the Hyogi-in are. From what I've gathered, I think they are the board of trustees and are comprised of 3 retired oyakata. Am I close? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,354 Posted January 18, 2018 7 hours ago, Flyric said: I'm not familiar with who the Hyogi-in are. From what I've gathered, I think they are the board of trustees and are comprised of 3 retired oyakata. Am I close? And 4 outsiders, yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,921 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) How much pressure might there be on Takekaze, Aminishiki and Toyonoshima (I assume he owns Magaki) to retire to get their votes given how they've done this basho? The other two vacant kabu according to the DB are Kotoshogiku's, and he's doing fine, and Kanechika's, which....do we have any idea what's happened to it? (Waiting for someone else in Miyagino-beya to qualify for it?) Edited January 21, 2018 by Gurowake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orandashoho 720 Posted January 21, 2018 Aminishiki isn't very likely to vote for Tahanohana... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,789 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) It is seen as likely that both Takanohana and Isegahama will apply to be on the election list - applications can be made till Feb 1st, the day before the elections. There only is a need for a vote if more than 10 apply - only 10 like in the past and the thing is done without actual election - unlikely nowadays. Same for the 3 deputy riji - likely 4 will apply. The riji-cho election will be after the Haru basho. http://www.sankei.com/sports/news/180121/spo1801210043-n1.html Edited January 21, 2018 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,354 Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) Isegahama is not running. "After all that happened, it goes without saying. I left my job myself, you know.." he explained. It seems like he was under pressure from other Oyakata in the Ichimon to not run because he was the Oyakata of the guy that "shook the foundations of sumo". It appears Takashima Oyakata, who ran last time and failed, will be nominated for riji. Edited January 22, 2018 by Kintamayama 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,354 Posted January 23, 2018 On 1/16/2018 at 17:41, Kintamayama said: The nominees from Nishonoseki Ichimon this time will be current riji Oguruma Oyakata and the plan is to add Shibatayama Oyakata who is currently a deputy riji. As for a deputy riji candidate, it has not been decided yet and will be decided on January 23rd. Finalized. Deputy riji candidate is Hanakago. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,354 Posted January 26, 2018 Dewanoumi Ichimon will send 4 candidates. Kasugano, despite the revelations of the last days, will be running, together with Sakaigawa, Dewanoumi, and Yamahibiki . Present deputy riji Fujishima will be running for deputy riji again , but present deputy rijicho Tamanoi will not be running, they say. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,354 Posted January 26, 2018 Takanohana Ichimon gathered again to talk about the elections today. 10 Oyakatas present, one less(Ootake) than last time. Shikoroyama is adamant that he hasn't decided yet on who to back. "It was just a meeting where we exchanged ideas, nothing more, nothing less.." he explained later. No announcement regarding the candidates. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted January 28, 2018 Takasago-ichimon will be nominating Hakkaku, the group confirmed yesterday. They also announced that their votes in the vice director election would be supporting Tokitsukaze-ichimon's Izutsu, who narrowly failed in the election two years ago. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) It's from notably anti-Takanohana Sports Hochi, so I'm not sure how much stock to put into their interpretation, but anyway, the paper claims that Takanohana-ichimon has yet to announce its candidate for the director voting because of dissension between a camp supporting Takanohana and one wanting Onomatsu to be nominated instead. The Onomatsu camp supposedly consists of himself and his stable's affiliated oyakata Shiranui, plus Otake and the three "independents" who split from Tokitsukaze-ichimon recently, while Takanohana has the support of Tatsunami, Chiganoura and his heya predecessor Tokiwayama, and apparently (and quite delicately) also the new Otowayama (ex-Daido), whose continued stay in the Kyokai Takanohana facilitated recently, but who is actually a member of Onomatsu's stable. So it's allegedly 6:5 in favour of Onomatsu, and Sports Hochi describes it as a looming election defeat for Takanohana, should they both run. (Personally, I can't help but think it's all a smokescreen to get both of them elected, with some other ichimon's voters about to break rank again unexpectedly in order to support the Takanohana group...) In addition the article claims that Dewanoumi-ichimon has recruited at least three voters from outside, which (at least by the author's counting) would enable them to field a minimum of 7 votes even for their 4th candidate and get all four of them elected just like two years ago. The implication here appears to be - and this is not terribly surprising - that Dewanoumi's #4 is the guy Takanohana-ichimon would need to defeat in order to push through two candidates of its own, given that the other 8 slots are unassailable due to clearly sufficient support. (But then again, if there really are rogue voters somewhere...) Edited January 29, 2018 by Asashosakari 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serge_gva 52 Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) On 21/01/2018 at 05:53, Gurowake said: How much pressure might there be on Takekaze, Aminishiki and Toyonoshima (I assume he owns Magaki) Wikipedia (in english) says Toyonoshima owns Nishikijima kabu (Takasago Ichimon), but there isn't any source provided. Edited January 30, 2018 by serge_gva Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted January 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, serge_gva said: Wikipedia (in english) says Toyonoshima owns Nishikijima kabu (Takasago Ichimon), but there isn't any source provided. That one ended up as owned by ex-Asasekiryu somehow, see here and the retirement thread that's linked from that post. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,631 Posted January 30, 2018 Takanohana and Onomatsu for riji, Shikoroyama for fuku-riji 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,789 Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) o o oo o Edited January 30, 2018 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,789 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) more from around the Takanohana-ichimon dinner meeting which had the decision about the candidates Taka - entering the restaurant in Kagurazaka where the meeting took place oo happy afterwards - even as he was about to take the wrong taxi - (and the scarf now in proper fashion for a riji?) o o o o Shikoroyama - going in with a Taka style scarf leaving as candidate o oo Onomatsu - going in o - leaving as candidate, but looking not so happy o Tatsutagawa - this is called entering with a smiling face all candidates and vote expectations o o Edited January 31, 2018 by Akinomaki 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,789 Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) The elections are all over the wide shows now - and they make careless mistakes: Viking named Michinoku as 12th, but only 11 candidates filed the application as candidate at the kokukikan - more than the 10 posts, so there will be a vote tomorrow, for the 5th time in a row at the riji elections - and the vote with 4 candidates for the 3 deputy riji o o o long news page with video http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20180201/k10011311231000.html o nnn news with video Taka leaves the heya to go for that to the kokugikan - this heya even has constant police protection - forget about SECOM oo ooo oo in the kokugikan oo o o he announced it on the heya's homepage o Onomatsu on his way back after handing in the application oo and Shikoroyama for the deputy list o Edited February 1, 2018 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,809 Posted February 1, 2018 Question: Takanohana wins re-election, but the external committee declares him unfit. Does the 11th candidate get elected by default? Or will there be a run off? Or the election is a do over? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
