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The noise when Chiyotairyu and the Geek collided at the tachiai there was titanic. I'd be interested to know what force was generated there between them. 

Mitakeumi / Shodai seemed to have a little extra there invested in that match - there is a good long term rivalry starting there.

Goeido had one plan there - pull - and it backfired.

Haraumafuji was not happy with Tamawashi's subtle little tachiai games and let him know it in all aspects of that match.

And Endo looks like he has gotten past the injuries and has that balance back that has deserted him for the past couple of years. He has sublime tachiai and belt skills when healthy and they have been on show this basho.

 

 

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Tomorrow Enho will fight to hopefully make it to a winning streak of 21 since entering sumo. He's fighting Tanabe, who is also 6-0 and has only lost twice in just as many bashos—in both cases, to Enho!

If he does make it to an incredible 21 wins, he will need to go zensho the next tournament to beat the #1 on the list, Jokoryu, who is at #1 with 27 wins.

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On 9/20/2017 at 08:59, Kintamayama said:

I hope you are joking, sir..

LOL, I wasn't joking, but as I looked at it up last evening, I realized two things: 1) how misinformed one can be from believing everything that's posted around the web (not just sumo), and 2) how strikingly parallel this Aki basho is to the last. I actually responded to something someone had written last year while hunting for the video I saw last week. I couldn't find it again easily, and don't have time to hunt for it further. Either on sumo forum or somewhere else I saw a video (I thought it was Yoshikaze) saying his swollen eye was acquired at the grocery store. While standing in line, I recall the translation stating that Ichinojo was in front of him in line by coincidence. He asked if he could go ahead of him (maybe only had one item or something), then Ichinojo turned around, hitting him in the eye with his elbow. Could this have been in a match, or by accident, a bad translation, or could I have made this whole thing up? I'm mystified, as the folks here keep so much closer track of what's happening during the bashos. If this is all rubbish, my apologies to Ichinojo. I meant no offense, and should have kept that initial comment to myself, even if that was a video from this year's Aki.

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Well Goeido just opened the door for all those 8-4 guys. Could we be seeing Kyushu 1996 again?

Aminishiki at 8-4, one more win should clinch it for him on making the grand return to the makuuchi!

Yoshikaze the first to secure his sanyaku slot, Mitakeumi and Tamawashi still have a chance to secure theirs at 6-6 each, and even Tochiozan is hanging on for dear life at 5-7.

Geek looks to be the first sanyaku candidate after finally getting that KK, but it all depends on those above him.

Onosho finally getting KK but too little too late I'm afraid.

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42 minutes ago, Thundersnow said:

LOL, I wasn't joking, but as I looked at it up last evening, I realized two things: 1) how misinformed one can be from believing everything that's posted around the web (not just sumo), and 2) how strikingly parallel this Aki basho is to the last. I actually responded to something someone had written last year while hunting for the video I saw last week. I couldn't find it again easily, and don't have time to hunt for it further. Either on sumo forum or somewhere else I saw a video (I thought it was Yoshikaze) saying his swollen eye was acquired at the grocery store. While standing in line, I recall the translation stating that Ichinojo was in front of him in line by coincidence. He asked if he could go ahead of him (maybe only had one item or something), then Ichinojo turned around, hitting him in the eye with his elbow. Could this have been in a match, or by accident, a bad translation, or could I have made this whole thing up? I'm mystified, as the folks here keep so much closer track of what's happening during the bashos. If this is all rubbish, my apologies to Ichinojo. I meant no offense, and should have kept that initial comment to myself, even if that was a video from this year's Aki.

Are you sure you aren't joking?

Here's the interview you are talking about: 

Yes, it's a story about a grocery store involving Ichinojo (and Shohozan instead of Yoshikaze), but here's the kicker: it was all made up. The whole thing was a joke. That was a real interview of course, but the translation was made up of whole cloth.

I think you are the first person to ever see one of Kintamayama's famous joke interview translations and actually think it's all line-for-line real... something @Kintamayama can no doubt be proud of!

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Goeido just wanted to win too much. And when one wants something too much there's a tendency to overdo things. 

I'm really happy for Yoshikaze. I've always liked him and after his horrible 0-4 start thought it'll be a bad basho for him. But what a turnaround, 8 wins and kachikoshi in one streak! 

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2 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Onosho finally getting KK but too little too late I'm afraid.

I was just thinking about this, let's not be too hard on the guy. People were thinking that maybe he could actually clinch the yusho. So everything less than a yusho is now underwhelming. But he got his KK at M3. To me, getting a KK at M3 and above is the hallmark of the top. And technically he could improve all the way to 11-4! So he has done an absolutely splendid job at his career high rank and proven that he's not some fluke.

edit: oh, and let's not forget... 3 makuuchi basho, 3 KK!

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49 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

Onosho finally getting KK but too little too late I'm afraid.

Too late for what? The yusho? He is 8-4. He is tied for 2nd. He might get a san-sho. He might even get promoted to sanyaku.

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2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Aoiyama got an oral warning from Yamashina vice-head shimpan for the extra shove after Kagayaki was clearly out. http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20170921/sum17092120490015-n1.html

Good. Totally needless move and he surely must've known the match was over. Aoiyama has been one of the 'top' extra shovers for a while...

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4 hours ago, dada78641 said:

Alright everybody, it's time to shuffle. Let's go!

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CAN'T.........  LOOK.........AWAY...!!!!!!!!!!(SpookyTVprogram...)(Onlinetoolong...)

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2 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Well Goeido just opened the door for all those 8-4 guys. Could we be seeing Kyushu 1996 again?

Aminishiki at 8-4, one more win should clinch it for him on making the grand return to the makuuchi!

The gap has certainly narrowed between Goeido and Harumafuji, but going into day 12, there were three wrestlers trailing Goeido by two wins.  If any of them had won their day 12 bouts, the gap would be even closer.  But all three lost their bouts along with Goeido.  So Goeido actually retained his 2 win cushion.  With his win on day 12, Harumafuji, however, moved a little closer (in fact he is now technically in second place).  The next few days will be critical for both men.  Goedio has a nice cushion, but if he loses on days 13 or 14 (especially day 13 against Takakeisho), Harumafuji could ruin his yusho hopes with a win on the senshuraku.  Something tells me the championship may not be decided until the the final bout of the final day, if not in a playoff.  The 1996 tournament in Kyushu looks intriguing indeed (five sanyaku wrestlers finished with an 11-4 record).  Any championship that is won with less than 12 wins is a little suspect imho (or am I just spoiled by Hakuho's impressive win records in recent years?).

As for Aminishiki, he is now very much poised to win the Juryo championship which would make his return to the Top Division all the sweeter.  I think many sumo fans are rooting for him!

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13 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

The gap has certainly narrowed between Goeido and Harumafuji, but going into day 12, there were three wrestlers trailing Goeido by two wins.  If any of them had won their day 12 bouts, the gap would be even closer.  But all three lost their bouts along with Goeido.  So Goeido actually retained his 2 win cushion.  With his win on day 12, Harumafuji, however, moved a little closer (in fact he is now technically in second place).  The next few days will be critical for both men.  Goedio has a nice cushion, but if he loses on days 13 or 14 (especially day 13 against Takakeisho), Harumafuji could ruin his yusho hopes with a win on the senshuraku.  Something tells me the championship may not be decided until the the final bout of the final day, if not in a playoff.  The 1996 tournament in Kyushu looks intriguing indeed (five sanyaku wrestlers finished with an 11-4 record).  Any championship that is won with less than 12 wins is a little suspect imho (or am I just spoiled by Hakuho's impressive win records in recent years?).

As for Aminishiki, he is now very much poised to win the Juryo championship which would make his return to the Top Division all the sweeter.  I think many sumo fans are rooting for him!

Exactly what I've been thinking... don't write Harumafuji off just yet! And Aminishiki... oh man, how I would love to see him get back to Makuuchi in style by winning the Juryo yusho! :)

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Yep, I'll be cheering hard for Aminishiki to get that first career yusho and a return to makuuchi. Mean old Nishikigi had to spoil the party back in May >:-(

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I don't believe that O1w Goeido's (10-2) loss to M4e Shohozan (6-6) was anything more than a bump on the road to Yusho #2. He faces M5w Takakeisho (7-5) today. He will probably face M6e Ichinojo (6-6) on Day 14. If he wins both of those bouts, he will be 12-2 Y. 

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28 minutes ago, orandashoho said:

And Aminishiki... oh man, how I would love to see him get back to Makuuchi in style by winning the Juryo yusho! :)

Oh man....... I am hoping for his intai for years..... He will be back in makuuchi..... so sad... 

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6 hours ago, Morty said:

The noise when Chiyotairyu and the Geek collided at the tachiai there was titanic. I'd be interested to know what force was generated there between them. 

 

Coincidentally, today's episode of Sumopedia on NHK was about the tachiai.  They rigged Uncle Giku with some sort of contraption and he generated 13G - equivalent to two tonnes!

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5 hours ago, dada78641 said:

Are you sure you aren't joking?

Here's the interview you are talking about: 

Yes, it's a story about a grocery store involving Ichinojo (and Shohozan instead of Yoshikaze), but here's the kicker: it was all made up. The whole thing was a joke. That was a real interview of course, but the translation was made up of whole cloth.

I think you are the first person to ever see one of Kintamayama's famous joke interview translations and actually think it's all line-for-line real... something @Kintamayama can no doubt be proud of!

LOL, OK, suckerof the day. I take my bow. ANd there I was routing against Ichinojo for no reason at all. ;)

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1 hour ago, Bumpkin said:

I don't believe that O1w Goeido's (10-2) loss to M4e Shohozan (6-6) was anything more than a bump on the road to Yusho #2. He faces M5w Takakeisho (7-5) today. He will probably face M6e Ichinojo (6-6) on Day 14. If he wins both of those bouts, he will be 12-2 Y. 

Takakeisho has proven that he can beat any rikishi and poses a danger to Goeido's run for the 2nd yusho.   And against Ichinojo, Goeido is only 5 - 5.   If the breaks go against Goeido, he can end up with 10-4 record entering the final day.    But I admit, it is Goeido's Yusho to lose.   He's the odds on favorite for now and the only reason I am watching this injury devastated basho.  

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6 hours ago, dada78641 said:

I was just thinking about this, let's not be too hard on the guy. People were thinking that maybe he could actually clinch the yusho. So everything less than a yusho is now underwhelming. But he got his KK at M3. To me, getting a KK at M3 and above is the hallmark of the top. And technically he could improve all the way to 11-4! So he has done an absolutely splendid job at his career high rank and proven that he's not some fluke.

edit: oh, and let's not forget... 3 makuuchi basho, 3 KK!

And if he gets double digit wins, the first ever to get three consecutive DD wins form his Makuuchi debut, something not even Hakuhou or Asashouryuu achieved..

I think..

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9 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

And if he gets double digit wins, the first ever to get three consecutive DD wins form his Makuuchi debut, something not even Hakuhou or Asashouryuu achieved..

I think..

Feel free to ignore how many basho Hakuho and Asashoryu were in Juryo compared to Onosho.

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Oh I'm gonna make this comparison in a deliberately inflammatory way!

Basho Spent... Hakuho Onosho
Jonokuchi 2 1
Jonidan 3 1
Sandanme 6 2
Makushita 5 8
Juryo 2 13
Maegashira 5 3?
Sanyaku 7 -
Ozeki 7 -
Yokozuna 61? -
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9 minutes ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

Oh I'm gonna make this comparison in a deliberately inflammatory way!

 

Basho Spent... Hakuho Onosho
Jonokuchi 2 1
Jonidan 3 1
Sandanme 6 2
Makushita 5 8
Juryo 2 13
Maegashira 5 3?
Sanyaku 7 -
Ozeki 7 -
Yokozuna 61? -

The trend is, the higher he's in the banzuke, the longer he will stay.

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4 hours ago, Yatagarasu said:

Coincidentally, today's episode of Sumopedia on NHK was about the tachiai.  They rigged Uncle Giku with some sort of contraption and he generated 13G - equivalent to two tonnes!

I suggest you check out this website: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/sumo/sumopedia/  The tachiai episode is one of the earlier episodes in the series (i.e., #2).  There are now some 39 episodes.  However, I have found that the clips are only viewable when a tournament is on.

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Well, if anyone can drop the ball here, it's Goeido. (The odds are in his favor. Just sayin'.)

I've been a little bummed out this basho, what with so many of my makuuchi favorites injured and Osunaarashi... BUT Aminishiki returning to makuuchi is one hell of a silver lining. You have to figure he's not got many basho left in him, but I'll be cheering him all the way. Godspeed, you sneaky old ****. 

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Torakio won his last match of the basho today, finishing at 6-1. Meanwhile fellow debutante Shoji made short work of jonidan Imai and clinched the jonokuchi yusho, and for now being put on the wins from debut watch.

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