Basho Talk - Nagoya 2017 (SPOILERS)

[Amamaniac 2,078]

I've heard of dameoshi ("bad pushes"), but does what Yoshikaze did in his bout against Onosho qualify?  

Usually dameoshi applies to a winning wrestler giving his opponent and extra (unnecessary) shove off the ring.  In Yoshikaze's case, he had lost, yet in frustration he yanked Onosho's mawashi pulling him down off the dohyo.

[Gospodin 187]

2 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

I suspect that tottari is technique preferred by smaller wrestlers and both Harumafuji and Ura are relatively small.  You are absolutely right that the techniques were the same.  In fact, after Harumafuji lost to Ura by tottari, he has turned around and used it twice.  The difference today, however, was that instead of a simple arm pull, Harumafuji turned it into and arm bar (à la kotenage). IMHO

Harumafuji might even try it against Hakuho tomorrow!

Harumafuji has been frequently using tottari in his career. Chances are Ura might have "stolen" it from him.

Edited July 22, 2017 by Gospodin
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[Amamaniac 2,078]

As if to tantalize watchers, NHK gave a statistic of rank-and-file wrestlers in the Top Division who have won championships in Nagoya in the past.  Two of the five were ranked lower than Aoiyama (i.e., <EM8): Fujinishiki (WM9 in 1964) and Kotofuji (EM13 in 1991).  Neither of those two wrestlers, however, had to go up against the great Hakuho!  Aoiyama is one of those "I can't believe I am even considering the possibility of him winning a championship" rare occurrences in ozumo.

[dingo 1,159]

1 hour ago, Amamaniac said:

I suspect that tottari is technique preferred by smaller wrestlers and both Harumafuji and Ura are relatively small.  You are absolutely right that the techniques were the same.  In fact, after Harumafuji lost to Ura by tottari, he has turned around and used it twice.  The difference today, however, was that instead of a simple arm pull, Harumafuji turned it into and arm bar (à la kotenage). IMHO

Harumafuji might even try it against Hakuho tomorrow!

Talking about small wrestlers and tottari, Takanoyama sometimes used to take his opponents on a real carousel ride... wonder how he's doing nowadays.

[Amamaniac 2,078]

13 minutes ago, dingo said:

Talking about small wrestlers and tottari, Takanoyama sometimes used to take his opponents on a real carousel ride... wonder how he's doing nowadays.

You might have to take a trip to the Czech Republic to find out ...   Some of his bouts were the most amazing ones I've ever witnessed.  

[Jakusotsu 5,806]

3 minutes ago, dingo said:

Talking about small wrestlers and tottari, Takanoyama sometimes used to take his opponents on a real carousel ride... wonder how he's doing nowadays.

Look here.

[808morgan 805]

5 hours ago, Philioyamfugi said:

Toyonoshima at 4-2

 

I wish he didn't get hurt, I miss him at his best!

[Bumpkin 438]

9 hours ago, Senkoho said:

what time do you think will Juryo bouts begin on senshuraku?

Juryo starts at 13:40 JST. Makuuchi starts at 15:15 JST. About 45 minutes early.

[Bumpkin 438]

8 hours ago, Philioyamfugi said:

Toyonoshima at 4-2

 

Ms28e Toyonoshima finished at 5-2!

[Amamaniac 2,078]

Tochiozan will be fighting in the Koreyori Sanyaku in the senshuryaku bouts.  Obviously, many of the top-ranked/elite wrestlers have gone kyujo in this tournament, making for slim pickings.  But this strikes me as one of the rare times that a rank-and-file wrester is listed in the final three bouts.  (When was the last time this happened?  Anyone?)  Tochiozan is WM5, and technically he is not a sanyaku wrestler!  While there is no rule against it, it is in my mind a contradiction in terms.

Interestingly, back in the summer of 2012 (i.e., May), when WM7 Kyokutenho walked away with the championship, Tochiozan fought and lost to him in a playoff bout.  What I completely forgot was that in that same tournament, Aoiyama went into the final day tied with two other wrestlers with the second best record (10-4).  Keep in mind, as I've mentioned in an earlier post, Tochiozan and Aoiyama are stablemates.  In both of these tournaments, these two rank-and-file wrestlers were positioned for a possible championship.  Coincidence?  If history repeats itself, then Kasugano Stable's contender (i.e., Aoiyama) will not win the current basho. 

In my mind, if Aoiyama loses his final bout against Yoshikaze (which seems to be a foregone conclusion), that will take the pressure off Hakuho in that he will automatically win his 39th championship.  Will that affect his will to win his own final bout against Harumafuji?  Haru won't go easy on Hakuho no matter what happens in Aoiyama's bout.  Likewise, Hakuho will go all out on Haru.  In short, don't stop watching until the end...

[Sakura 1,472]

13 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

Tochiozan will be fighting in the Koreyori Sanyaku in the senshuryaku bouts.  Obviously, many of the top-ranked/elite wrestlers have gone kyujo in this tournament, making for slim pickings.  But this strikes me as one of the rare times that a rank-and-file wrester is listed in the final three bouts.  (When was the last time this happened?  Anyone?)  Tochiozan is WM5, and technically he is not a sanyaku wrestler!  While there is no rule against it, it is in my mind a contradiction in terms.

Takekaze as recently as Hatsu this year.

[ScottyJoyJrBebe 97]

11 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

Tochiozan will be fighting in the Koreyori Sanyaku in the senshuryaku bouts.  Obviously, many of the top-ranked/elite wrestlers have gone kyujo in this tournament, making for slim pickings.  But this strikes me as one of the rare times that a rank-and-file wrester is listed in the final three bouts.  (When was the last time this happened?  Anyone?)  Tochiozan is WM5, and technically he is not a sanyaku wrestler!  While there is no rule against it, it is in my mind a contradiction in terms.

Interestingly, back in the summer of 2012 (i.e., May), when WM7 Kyokutenho walked away with the championship, Tochiozan fought and lost to him in a playoff bout.  What I completely forgot was that in that same tournament, Aoiyama went into the final day tied with two other wrestlers with the second best record (10-4).  Keep in mind, as I've mentioned in an earlier post, Tochiozan and Aoiyama are stablemates.  In both of these tournaments, these two rank-and-file wrestlers were positioned for a possible championship.  Coincidence?  If history repeats itself, then Kasugano Stable's contender (i.e., Aoiyama) will not win the current basho. 

In my mind, if Aoiyama loses his final bout against Yoshikaze (which seems to be a foregone conclusion), that will take the pressure off Hakuho in that he will automatically win his 39th championship.  Will that affect his will to win his own final bout against Harumafuji?  Haru won't go easy on Hakuho no matter what happens in Aoiyama's bout.  Likewise, Hakuho will go all out on Haru.  In short, don't stop watching until the end...

Natsu 2015 M6W Aoiyama was paired against S1E Terunofuji. Coincidence maybe?

I'm gonna be cheering for "Bumble Boobies"  

After seeing Kisenosato's performance at haru, I believe that anything is possible.

[Gurowake 3,915]

1 hour ago, Sakura said:

Takekaze as recently as Hatsu this year.

This was caused by Goeido's extremely late withdrawal, which gave them no time to try to rearrange things.  Usually, they try to keep things available so that if there's a kyujo they can still do the soroibumi with the top 6 rikishi.  This time, even though all the exits were fairly early in the tournament, there were too many given that they decided to put Tamawashi against all the sanyaku ranked lower than him in the first five days, and none of the remaining Ozeki had the other Sekiwake still available, which is how they finagled it last basho despite looking to me like it was impossible (granted, I didn't think they'd mix ranks the way they did). 

[d_golem 213]

An impeccably timed shimmy of the left hip from the pink mawashi, and down comes tumbling the black mawashi. Beautiful!

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

And the suspense continues!!!

[Jyuunomori 226]

On 22.7.2017 at 10:51, Jyuunomori said:

Aoiyama will face Yoshikaze, it will be a good bout. Aoiyama is now 12-2.

Shame that Ura hurt his leg, it clearly has an effect on his mobility. Tamawashi will probably win. Let's hope that Ura will salvage one win against Chiyonokuni to go to 7-8. At least Ura can take the Kinboshi home.

Called it! Ura will probably be M4w next basho, or M5w at most.

Aoiyama smacks Yoshikaze down to the dirt. 13-2, Jun-Yusho for Aoiyama, and special prizes I'd wager.

A lot of good stuff today. A triple-threat Juryo Yusho!

Yago wins Makushita by a clean sweep.

Veteran Fugugoriki wins his first (?) Yusho in Sandanme.

New Comer Enho (previous Jonokuchi Yusho winner) vs Ex-Makuuchi Masunoyama for the...Jonidan Yusho...I hope Masunoyama gets well...he probably won't...

Newcomer Tomokaze sweeps Jonokuchi.

Legendary Hattorizakura goes 0-7.

[Akinomaki 39,763]

Yoshikaze today should have used the new kesho mawashi he got to take the gino-sho

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

Onosho didn't get a second consecutive kanto-sho after losing to Mitakeumi today, but he is in some interesting company after posting two consecutive double digit basho from his makuuchi debut.

Wakanohana I

Tamanoumi

Wakanoumi

Buyuzan

Hakuho

Roho

Onosho

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1860026.html

[Akinomaki 39,763]

3 sansho on condition not awarded - now only Aoiyama has to fail to get the yusho for the 4th to not  make the NSK pay for

[d_golem 213]

5 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

And the suspense continues!!!

Hakuho will somehow inexplicably lose to Ama, then got slapped around by Aoiyama in the play-off. Angry and bitter, the loss will ignite something latent in Hakuho and he will then proceed to take 15 of the next 18 bashos, 13 of them by zensho, before signing off in style by doing the Tokyo 2020 yokozuna dohyo-iri as the best ever and the Kyokai forced to rename the Kokugikan to Hakuho GOAT National Stadium. He become rijicho the instant he retires, taking Ishiura as his wingman and proceed to make sumo one the most popular sports in the world, overtaking tennis and ten-pin bowling in popularity.

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

Well well well. I guess Takayasu is NOT in the OBC. Kadoban #6 for Goeido in Aki, a year after he won his zensho yusho.

[Asashosakari 18,784]

Heh.

[Jyuunomori 226]

Poor Goeido, maybe he will Zensho-Yusho next basho?

[d_golem 213]

Aaand HF nearly did it! Anyway congrats Hakuho! And Aoiyama too! May this serve as a wake up call to him that he's not there to be just a pretty, big-boobed Caucasian presence.

[Benihana 1,901]

11 minutes ago, Jyuunomori said:

Poor Goeido, maybe he will Zensho-Yusho next basho?

More like will he stay Ozeki wth the young and wild knocking at the doors. Will he hodor?

2 minutes ago, d_golem said:

Aaand HF nearly did it! Anyway congrats Hakuho! And Aoiyama too! May this serve as a wake up call to him that he's not there to be just a pretty, big-boobed Caucasian presence.

At first glimpse i read "prince"...

Edited July 23, 2017 by Benihana