Tomozuna-beya's Kaishinho arrested for theft

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Tomozuna stable, known today chiefly for Kaisei and Kyokushuho, seems to have an embarrassing scandal on its hands. One of its wrestlers, Kobayashi, is arrested on suspicion of using a stolen credit card to withdraw money.

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1833767.html

Saw it on the 7 o' clock NHK news just now, so a lot of people in Japan saw this.

edit: not sure if this is posted in the right place, apologies if it isn't.

Edited June 3, 2017 by dada78641

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Oh dear. If true, this wrester clearly wasn't accepting the austerity of heya life. But there has to be more to this story. Acces to a stolen credit card must be difficult if you live under the eyes of your heya mates at all time. Actually using the card must be difficult too if you are not allowed to go out on your own.  And then, what would you buy with it? Where would you stash your loot? The mind boggles.

[Yubinhaad 11,761]

5 hours ago, dada78641 said:

edit: not sure if this is posted in the right place, apologies if it isn't.

It's in the right place, but the title is a bit long for my liking - something like "Tomozuna-beya's Kaishinho arrested for theft" is more succinct, but that's just my opinion. Also, he should not be referred to with the -zeki honorific.

Anyway, from what I can gather it seems that this occurred on November 13th last year. The card was allegedly stolen from a car belonging to a 62-year-old office worker, which was in a parking lot in Kashiwa, Chiba prefecture. The alleged suspects then withdrew ¥800,000 from a cashpoint in a convenience store in the city. Police are investigating the suspected involvement of Kaishinho and a 20-year-old unemployed man.

Not the most auspicious headlines for either the outgoing or incoming Tomozuna-oyakata - the handover is set for June 11th - but this will surely not be regarded as any kind of heya problem, especially since it took place before Kaishinho actually entered the heya.

[Asashosakari 19,653]

41 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

It's in the right place, but the title is a bit long for my liking - something like "Tomozuna-beya's Kaishinho arrested for theft" is more succinct, but that's just my opinion.

Yes. Please don't cram that much information into the subject line; that's what the post body is for.

[RabidJohn 1,855]

'Kaishinho arrested' would've been sufficient to capture my attention, but don't feel bad about it. The main thing is you brought it to my attention, for which I thank you.

[Gurowake 4,104]

7 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Also, he should not be referred to with the -zeki honorific.

Absolutely.  We may be reminded of that honorific due to its use in those Takayasu promotion banners (高安関）, and it gets used heavily by people playing sumo games to refer to each other, but it's supposed to be reserved for sekitori only.  It has such a narrow use that when I tried to find out what it meant due to its use in sumo games, it was not on a list of honorifics for learning Japanese - it just won't come up ever in most people's conversations unless they are actually sumo fans.

[Gurowake 4,104]

11 hours ago, orandashoho said:

Oh dear. If true, this wrester clearly wasn't accepting the austerity of heya life. But there has to be more to this story. Acces to a stolen credit card must be difficult if you live under the eyes of your heya mates at all time. Actually using the card must be difficult too if you are not allowed to go out on your own.  And then, what would you buy with it? Where would you stash your loot? The mind boggles.

Well, as the next poster indicated, this happened before he joined the heya.  I have to wonder if there's a connection between the two, as if his parents realized he stole the money, confronted him about it, and aggressively persuaded him to take up the hard life as a rikishi as punishment.  He's done pretty poorly for someone entering as late of an age as he has, so it seems unlikely that he was active in it before.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12361

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7 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Absolutely.  We may be reminded of that honorific due to its use in those Takayasu promotion banners (高安関）, and it gets used heavily by people playing sumo games to refer to each other, but it's supposed to be reserved for sekitori only.

Oh wow, only for sekitori? Thanks for telling me, I had no idea :) Good thing to know.

[Fukurou 534]

16 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Absolutely.  We may be reminded of that honorific due to its use in those Takayasu promotion banners (高安関）, and it gets used heavily by people playing sumo games to refer to each other, but it's supposed to be reserved for sekitori only.  It has such a narrow use that when I tried to find out what it meant due to its use in sumo games, it was not on a list of honorifics for learning Japanese - it just won't come up ever in most people's conversations unless they are actually sumo fans.

Sekitori only? Learn something new every day. I thought it was reserved for Sanyaku only.

[Akinomaki 40,774]

Pics of the culprit

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On 6/3/2017 at 11:16, Fukurou said:

Sekitori only? Learn something new every day. I thought it was reserved for Sanyaku only.

It's the same character for the seki in sekitori and the zeki honorific. 

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10 hours ago, Churaumi said:

It's the same character for the seki in sekitori and the zeki honorific. 

Yes, but I was asking about usage of an honorific.

[Akinomaki 40,774]

2 hours ago, Fukurou said:

12 hours ago, Churaumi said:

It's the same character for the seki in sekitori and the zeki honorific. 

Yes, but I was asking about usage of an honorific.

This honorific should be thought of as being a short for sekitori, and it signifies all sekitori - but of course it's also in sekiwake and ozeki

[Churaumi 745]

Not to offend anyone's knowledge of Japan, but it's not really an honorific, more of a descriptor. Japanese people put occupations or status markers names, if a title seems honorific, it's the conferred status of the job, like "-sensei" for teachers and doctors, "-kachou" or "-shachou" for the boss, or many others. There are actual honorifics, but the only one of those I hear is "-dono" when somoeone wins the makuuchi yusho. "-zeki" is only honorific because of the status of being sekitori is, to use highly technical language, pretty cool.

[Ryoshishokunin 323]

The term used for such descriptors is still 'honorific': we just have fewer of them in english, and use them less--but 'Dr.', 'Prof.', and 'Private' are of this type, as is, for instance, the german 'Ing.'.  Heck, even -kun is an honorific, gramatically.  

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1 hour ago, Churaumi said:

Not to offend anyone's knowledge of Japan, but it's not really an honorific, more of a descriptor. Japanese people put occupations or status markers names, if a title seems honorific, it's the conferred status of the job, like "-sensei" for teachers and doctors, "-kachou" or "-shachou" for the boss, or many others. There are actual honorifics, but the only one of those I hear is "-dono" when somoeone wins the makuuchi yusho. "-zeki" is only honorific because of the status of being sekitori is, to use highly technical language, pretty cool.

 

38 minutes ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

The term used for such descriptors is still 'honorific': we just have fewer of them in english, and use them less--but 'Dr.', 'Prof.', and 'Private' are of this type, as is, for instance, the german 'Ing.'.  Heck, even -kun is an honorific, gramatically.  

It seems this may be the murky area of titles and honorifics. When it can be both used as a stand alone form of address, and also appended to a name, what shall we call it?

[Fay 1,677]

another criminal act

Asahiryu told me that his money was stolen in the heya by a heyamate. The Oyakata said he would call the police if the culprit wouldn't confess. One deshi confessed and apologized to Asahiryu. Unfortunately he already spent all the money (which was not so few) and it's not sure when and if Asahiryu gets his money back.

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53 minutes ago, Fay said:

another criminal act

Asahiryu told me that his money was stolen in the heya by a heyamate. The Oyakata said he would call the police if the culprit wouldn't confess. One deshi confessed and apologized to Asahiryu. Unfortunately he already spent all the money (which was not so few) and it's not sure when and if Asahiryu gets his money back.

Terrible!

I hope it works out for Asahiryu.

[Churaumi 745]

4 hours ago, Otokonoyama said:

 

It seems this may be the murky area of titles and honorifics. When it can be both used as a stand alone form of address, and also appended to a name, what shall we call it?

Honorific works for me, since you do still use them to be polite. Do we have any linguists around that might know? Or teachers? My Japanese classes were a long time ago. I know they covered this but I don't remember the formal linguistic name for that class of words. Probably honorifics, though.

[Akinomaki 40,774]

On 6/2/2017 at 12:07, dada78641 said:

Tomozuna stable, known today chiefly for Kaisei and Kyokushuho, seems to have an embarrassing scandal on its hands. One of its wrestlers, Kobayashi, is arrested on suspicion of using a stolen credit card to withdraw money.

The prosecution had demanded 2 years, Kobayashi yesterday got a sentence of 1y4m imprisonment with hard labour. http://www.chibanippo.co.jp/news/national/435883