BASHO TALK -- Natsu 2017 -- SPOILERS

[Bumpkin 438]

4 hours ago, Gurowake said:

As much as Harumafuji and Kakuyru had mediocre records before their two-basho Yokozuna run, they at least weren't kadoban half the time.

Harumafuji was kadoban once in 22 basho. He also won 4 yushos including back to back zensho yushos. Kakuryu was never kadoban in 12 bashos and had back to back 14-1D, 14-1Y.

[Dapeng 232]

18 hours ago, Bumpkin said:

We should all savor this yusho. It may never happen again. A year ago, no one would of thought it would take Hakuho an entire year to win yusho #38. The competition is getting younger and Hakuho is getting older.

He may not remain active by the Tokyo Olympic but 3 more yusho is just a piece of cake for him.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

7 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Teru showed who was the ozeki between him and Takayasu. The riji vote not be unanimous, but I think he will have the votes he needs to get that promotion.

 What has possibly given you that idea? The rijikai vote will be a complete formality, as it always is. If there's going to be any dissenting voices it's going to be in the shimpan committee, and even that is extremely doubtful after 34 wins.

[Gurowake 3,922]

4 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

 What has possibly given you that idea? The rijikai vote will be a complete formality, as it always is. If there's going to be any dissenting voices it's going to be in the shimpan committee, and even that is extremely doubtful after 34 wins.

Wikipedia says that three directors did not vote for Miyabiyama.  I think that would be the rijikai vote, but the link sourcing the statement is dead.

[Dapeng 232]

3 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Harumafuji was kadoban once in 22 basho. He also won 4 yushos including back to back zensho yushos. Kakuryu was never kadoban in 12 bashos and had back to back 14-1D, 14-1Y.

It seem those who frequently kadobanned would never reach yokozuno.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

On 25.5.2017 at 00:20, Asashosakari said:

I still have the suspicion that Ura is going to turn (back) into a nonstop henka machine once he's established in a banzuke area (joi or "only" mid-maegashira) and his opponents have the opportunity to develop more of a book on his style by facing him more often than just a couple of times.

3 henka in 4 days immediately after I posted that...

[Adil 232]

2 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

3 henka in 4 days immediately after I posted that...

I was actually thinking that myself!

[Asashosakari 18,786]

2 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Wikipedia says that three directors did not vote for Miyabiyama.  I think that would be the rijikai vote, but the link sourcing the statement is dead.

Fair enough, make that "almost always" then. In addition to the "he's not established enough" argument that Wikipedia touches on, there were also attitude concerns about Miyabiyama, so he was the perfect storm of a not-ideal candidate.

[RabidJohn 1,665]

3 hours ago, Morty said:

I suspect that his propensity to henka doesn't help...

Either that or the judging committee are also weary of the hype - lol!

I was one of those who thought the gino-sho was awarded for using a variety of kimarite, though I've never been sure what the 'threshold' is if that's the case. Anyway Takayasu used 6 in 11 wins, Yoshikaze 5 in 9, so both winning more than 50% of their bouts with different techniques, whereas Ura had 5 from 11, so less than 50%. I suspect that has some significance in the decision making.

Edited May 28, 2017 by RabidJohn

[Bumpkin 438]

30 minutes ago, Dapeng said:

He may not remain active by the Tokyo Olympic but 3 more yusho is just a piece of cake for him.

I disagree. With all the competition, including 4 yokozunae and 3 ozeki, it will be difficult for anyone to dominate sumo.  

[Kintamayama 44,354]

1 hour ago, RabidJohn said:

Either that or the judging committee are also weary of the hype - lol!

 

Journalists.

[Gospodin 187]

1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

Fair enough, make that "almost always" then. In addition to the "he's not established enough" argument that Wikipedia touches on, there were also attitude concerns about Miyabiyama, so he was the perfect storm of a not-ideal candidate.

His attitude on or off the dohyo ?

[Asashosakari 18,786]

54 minutes ago, Gospodin said:

His attitude on or off the dohyo ?

I'm not sure about on the dohyo, but certainly off it. There were stories that he was acting like a bigshot around the heya since the day he joined.

[Katooshu 3,135]

Early days yet, but I was very disappointed with Turbold/Mitoryu's showing. He was easy to move around for his size and quite clumsy, and he didn't look the part of an All Japan/Student/2x World champion. Incidentally, fellow MsTD newcomer Yago was in one of my favourite day 15 matches, against the highly skilled but light Mongolian Kiribayama.

 

Edited May 28, 2017 by Katooshu

[Dapeng 232]

4 hours ago, Bumpkin said:

I disagree. With all the competition, including 4 yokozunae and 3 ozeki, it will be difficult for anyone to dominate sumo.  

Well, I don't see any one better than Hakuho. He can easily yusho 2 times a year. 

[Philioyamfugi 378]

Clearly my assumption was wrong that a rikishi needs 10 wins to be elagble for a special prize.

[ryafuji 807]

7 hours ago, Churaumi said:

I guess Ura was too low-ranked for his record to be impressive enough for an outstanding performance prize? Too bad about the henkas though, if they costed him a prize.

The Shunkunsho is usually awarded only to those who have defeated either the yusho winner or a yokozuna. As you say, he was too low down to be considered.

[ryafuji 807]

5 hours ago, Dapeng said:

...... if he gets two consecutive yusho from July, NSK can't deny the promotion. 

But that wasn't what I was responding to. The question was, could he be promoted after Nagoya. 

[Bumpkin 438]

14 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

But that wasn't what I was responding to. The question was, could he be promoted after Nagoya. 

Could he? Yes. Will he? I highly doubt it. Maybe with a 15-0 Y.

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

If you care to follow Masu's "debate", you can do so here: 

 

[orandashoho 720]

Thank you @Otokonoyama for splitting that drivel off this thread.

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

18 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

 What has possibly given you that idea? The rijikai vote will be a complete formality, as it always is. If there's going to be any dissenting voices it's going to be in the shimpan committee, and even that is extremely doubtful after 34 wins.

Sorry about that. My auto correct seemed to leave out MAYBE in the text. Miyabiyama was definitely my reference when stating my point. And you never could know, dropping the last two bouts to a maegashira and ozeki could have left some people wondering.

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

It is official now, we will be seeing ozeki "Takayasu" now. Ceremony will be held on the 31st. Takayasu will be keeping his name and will become the fourth person to keep their name as they ascend to sumo's second highest rank. He follows Wajima, Kitao aka Futahaguro, and Dejima.

http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1831466.html

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

Tamanoi beya has announced on their website that Notoazuma has retired. He entered Tamanoi beya in March of 2007, and his highest rank was makushita 40. His danpatsu shiki was held at the post basho party for Tamanoi beya.

http://www.tamanoi.com/?p=1792

[dada78641 884]

To close things off, let's look at Hakuho drinking victory sake: