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BASHO TALK -- Natsu 2017 -- SPOILERS

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28 minutes ago, Ender Wiggin said:

Hello. First time posting, long time lurking.

Just wanted to comment on the Takayasu-Harumafuji bout and the whole gyoji thing. I just finished watching Jason's YT post of the bout and I was laughing at the blind bias, which was understandable in Jason's case (but still annoying nonetheless). But what irked me even more was the commentators were saying the same thing: the gyoji got in the way and cost him the win. 

Like yeah, Harumafuji cares about the well-being of the gyoji and would lose a bout to guarantee his safety. He couldn't care less if the gyoji got bowled over. And it was clear that Takayasu stuffed Harumafuji's nodowa and then succumbed to his own aggression. The gyoji had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Takayasu earned that win.

With that said, congrats to the new Ozeki Takayasu! You earned it.

Congrats to you on an excellent first post!

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3 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

Takayasu sealed his Ozeki promotion in his win over Harumafuji, imho.  Upsetting a Yokozuna is pretty much a deal maker.  

Takayasu is like a wall of flesh/muscle.

And hair. Don't forget the hair!

 

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8 hours ago, Philioyamfugi said:

Aminishiki has 8 kimboshi. No wonder he sticks around..but I always rout for the older guys anyway.

Oh? Do the kinboshi payments stop on retirement then?

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11 minutes ago, orandashoho said:

Oh? Do the kinboshi payments stop on retirement then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mochikyūkin is only paid to those currently ranked sekitori each basho.  That's the career-spanning bonus system that gets a large boost from earning kinboshi.  All rikishi have accounts, but only sekitori get paid on them.

Note that winning a Makuuchi yusho is worth the same as 3 kinboshi, while a kinboshi is worth the same as 4 bashos of going 10-5 or 20 of 8-7.  

Edited by Gurowake

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32 minutes ago, Tsubame said:

And hair. Don't forget the hair!

 

You're referring to his back, I assume?

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11 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

You're referring to his back, I assume?

He could be referring to all other places where the hair can grow.   Some may be eeking out of his mawashi for all we know. ;-)

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2 hours ago, Rocks said:

I think if you check you won't find one instance of those 2 beating the other when one of them has wrapped up the Yusho already on Day 15 or even before.

I did some checking.  In the 2013 Nagoya basho, Hakuho won the championship with a 13-2 record.  He had 13 straight wins from Day 1 only to lose his last two bouts against Kisenosato and Harumafuji.  Not sure if that counts.  Something tells me, although there is a degree of respect and admiration (even friendship) outside the ring, inside the ring it is each man for himself.  After all, there is plenty of kensho to be had in those final bouts... ;-)

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16 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

He could be referring to all other places where the hair can grow.   Some may be eeking out of his mawashi for all we know. ;-)

Now there's a visual I didn't need! LOL

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With the yusho, and Ozeki watch (Takayasu, Goeido) all but decided, I look forward to other matches.  

  • Ura vs Takakeisho - can't wait how this goes.   Takakeisho can push Ura around but better have good footing.   Ura can get him to slip.  
  • Mitakeumi's KK watch ... moreover, a possible start of an Ozeki run.  
  • Satoyama's remaining matches - sure to be entertaining.  
  • Speaking of Juryo, who is going to emerge out of the herd?   Conversely, who are making a run to drop down to Juryo - so many candidates.

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10 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Speaking of Juryo, who is going to emerge out of the herd?

Wouldn't it be fun if it were Aminishiki... !!

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I'm aware of how much hate I will get for this, but I WANT Kotoshogiku to retire, not because I don't like him (He's My favorite) but it's because I think this is getting to hard for him.

I'm pretty sure by those knee tape that something bad has happened, but in my opinon, he's 5-8, and a former ozeki, and just won a yusho last year, he's had a fast decline from a sudden late bloom, and it's time for him to end retire.

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4 minutes ago, PawnSums said:

I'm aware of how much hate I will get for this, but I WANT Kotoshogiku to retire, not because I don't like him (He's My favorite) but it's because I think this is getting to hard for him.

I'm pretty sure by those knee tape that something bad has happened, but in my opinon, he's 5-8, and a former ozeki, and just won a yusho last year, he's had a fast decline from a sudden late bloom, and it's time for him to end retire.

I'm agnostic as to whether or not Kotoshogiku ,or anyone else for that matter, retires. After all, if Aminishiki wants to continue in Juryo and Toyonoshima in Makushita, who am I to judge.

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18 minutes ago, orandashoho said:

Wouldn't it be fun if it were Aminishiki... !!

That's my hope

20 years, 122 basho, and many accomplishments in the sport, yet no yusho in any division. Now is the time!

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