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If there is no Ozeki, then the yokozuna become yokozuna-ozeki

If there is no yokozuna, the JSA doesn't give a damn.

But what if there are no Ozeki, AND no Yokozuna to become Y/O?

I've Wanted to know this for so long.

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There have to be two Ozeki by rule. That means someone could get promoted with a much weaker record.

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4 hours ago, Sakura said:

There have to be two Ozeki by rule. That means someone could get promoted with a much weaker record.

.. or an existing yokozuna would not be allowed to retire. The rule is that there are required on the banzuke, but there is no rule that they have to mount the dohyo.

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It's kind of hard to imagine a situation where you have little to no Yokozuna or Ozeki and there isn't other sanyaku already winning in double digits regularly already. I mean somebody has to win right? They get promoted.

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45 minutes ago, Rocks said:

It's kind of hard to imagine a situation where you have little to no Yokozuna or Ozeki and there isn't other sanyaku already winning in double digits regularly already. I mean somebody has to win right? They get promoted.

But maybe just the basho where all go intai, the sanyaku have all makekoshi: a jump from maegashira to ozeki would be really a fun situation

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Especially since in that situation the best maegashira would theoretically have won. Do it again and he's an accidental yokozuna. Half the problem solved.

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The closest in recent history to a scenario like this would be Kyushu 1992, where there were no Yokozuna and 3 Ozeki. Konishiki went kyujo, Kirishima was demoted, and Akebono won the yusho as an Ozeki. So you had one Ozeki and one kadoban Ozeki going into Hatsu 1993. Akebono would win the next basho and be promoted to Yokozuna.

Aki 1992 was similarly close, with the same three Ozeki, and one went 7-8 and the other two were 9-6, so slightly in danger of going MK and being in kadoban status.

Still, that is pretty far from a no Y/O scenario. I suppose if we had a scenario like '92, where the current ozeki had a perfect storm of kyujo and MK, right before any of the other san'yaku started an Ozeki run, it's POSSIBLE. It would take quite a lot of concurrent events that I doubt we will ever see.

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I know when Chiyonofuji was promoted to Yokozuna leaving no Ozeki, Kotokaze was promoted rather quickly (9-6, 10-5, 12-3) after only one basho (9/81) with "no Ozeki."

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The amount of 3-basho-spans where nobody (including existing Y/O) get 33 wins is actually quite small. The first basho of the triplet of without an 'Ozeki standard' performance is listed:

1960.01
1965.09
1965.11
1968.07
1969.01
1971.11
1972.01
1972.07
1986.01
1992.03
1992.05
1992.07
1998.11
1999.09
2003.05
2003.07

Seems to happen in groups around transitions of power, and the aforementioned 1992 is there as well. 

The most concurrent Ozeki standard 33 in 3 (including Y/O again) is 5, last occuring Natsu with Chiyonofuji, Hokutoumi, Onokuni, Konishiki, and Asahifuji. While we haven't had a drought in over a decade, the presence of Hakuho taking wins from everyone has limited the number of concurrent 33 in 3 streaks recently.

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