Marcus 1 Posted March 26, 2017 in his prime? best out of 10 matches against either of him could he get a majority of wins against them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PawnSums 59 Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) We'll never truly know, but he probably would have gone about 5-5 Against Asashoryu 3-7 Against Hakuho Also are you Rufakiyama? Edited March 26, 2017 by PawnSums Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,854 Posted March 26, 2017 Are you the same guy who's currently flooding r/sumo on Reddit with similarly inventive question threads? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,772 Posted March 26, 2017 In my historical Elo strength ratings, Akebono peaked at 2377, Asashoryu at 2558, and Hakuho at 2679 points. If they had met in their prime, Akebono would have won 26% against Asashoryu and 15% against Hakuho. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PawnSums 59 Posted March 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Randomitsuki said: In my historical Elo strength ratings, Akebono peaked at 2377, Asashoryu at 2558, and Hakuho at 2679 points. If they had met in their prime, Akebono would have won 26% against Asashoryu and 15% against Hakuho. Now where could I find these elo strength ratings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,772 Posted March 26, 2017 34 minutes ago, PawnSums said: Now where could I find these elo strength ratings? On my computer... But I have put some of it into the analysis available at the following link (telling me that I might have gotten the numbers above somewhat wrong). http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/34310-yokozuna-strength-opponent-strength-and-yokozuna-dominance/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 157 Posted March 27, 2017 He beat prime Takanohana and his various stablemates and prime Musashimaru regularly. I think he would have done quite well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcus 1 Posted March 27, 2017 Just now, Asashosakari said: Are you the same guy who's currently flooding r/sumo on Reddit with similarly inventive question threads? no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungSumo 93 Posted March 27, 2017 Questions like these are difficult but in most sports newer generations are better than previous generations. There's more knowledge about technique, training, diets, healthcare etc. That's why olympic and world records keep getting broken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,322 Posted March 27, 2017 Having watched all three.... Akebono would have lost most of the time to Hakuho, and more often than not to Asashoryu. But that is just my opinion. (Might be worth noting that *usually* people think that the performers in the past are better than the new crop. Not for me in this case.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,809 Posted March 27, 2017 On 3/27/2017 at 02:49, Randomitsuki said: On my computer... But I have put some of it into the analysis available at the following link (telling me that I might have gotten the numbers above somewhat wrong). http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/34310-yokozuna-strength-opponent-strength-and-yokozuna-dominance/ Can you include Kisenosato now for comparison? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chanko Thief 67 Posted May 22, 2020 Do you suppose the height and weight would be a problem for them (Asa especially)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Churaumi 728 Posted May 22, 2020 I don't think it would have mattered much. They have the three sumo "ideal" traits (heart, body, and mind) in such quantities they would probably still beat Akebono if they all met in their primes. Akebono's size could be mitigated through technique. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
just_some_guy 259 Posted May 22, 2020 If we're performing necromancy on this thread, I demand that the title be changed to correct the spelling and grammar. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,138 Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) 3-7ish 'feels' about right to me in a series of 10 matches. I don't think anyone would blank Akebono at his best, but these two have enough technique and strength to exploit long tall 'Bono's weaknesses more often than not. I also think that, while Hak is undoubtedly the most accomplished rikishi ever, prime Asa was very close in quality to prime Hak. Edited May 22, 2020 by Katooshu 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,433 Posted May 23, 2020 17 hours ago, Chanko Thief said: Do you suppose the height and weight would be a problem for them (Asa especially)? Asa was 4-5 against Musashimaru who was almost as tall as Akebono and more or less as heavy. Of course, he also fought the likes of Baruto regularly. Their H2H record? 9-0 to Asashoryu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chanko Thief 67 Posted May 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Eikokurai said: Asa was 4-5 against Musashimaru who was almost as tall as Akebono and more or less as heavy. Of course, he also fought the likes of Baruto regularly. Their H2H record? 9-0 to Asashoryu. Fair enough, but Akebono is 4” taller than Musashimaru, and back when I used to box, 4 additional inches in height was never a fun thing to deal with (different sport of course). And yes you could use Baruto as a measuring stick to see how well Asa does against tall opponents but I am of the mind that Akebono was much more superior to Baruto in the skills department and would present some problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,433 Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Chanko Thief said: And yes you could use Baruto as a measuring stick to see how well Asa does against tall opponents but I am of the mind that Akebono was much more superior to Baruto in the skills department and would present some problems. Perhaps, but the question was just about how Asashoryu would cope with his size, not his skills, so I gave an example of a large rikishi that Asa had no trouble handling to show size wasn’t a concern for him (though I purposely chose an Ozeki because he also had skills). Edited May 23, 2020 by Eikokurai 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,902 Posted May 23, 2020 Enho would ashitori the shit out of those long legs, that's for sure. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,433 Posted May 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, Benihana said: Enho would ashitori the shit out of those long legs, that's for sure. Check out the famous first meeting of Mainoumi and Akebono. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,902 Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Eikokurai said: Check out the famous first meeting of Mainoumi and Akebono. I know what happened Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Churaumi 728 Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) On 23/05/2020 at 01:01, Chanko Thief said: Fair enough, but Akebono is 4” taller than Musashimaru, and back when I used to box, 4 additional inches in height was never a fun thing to deal with (different sport of course). And yes you could use Baruto as a measuring stick to see how well Asa does against tall opponents but I am of the mind that Akebono was much more superior to Baruto in the skills department and would present some problems. I did some (weight class-less) MMA in my younger years, and I had the opposite feeling. Short guys could get better leverage and really crank down chokes and things. It felt so satisfying to get inside under a giant and choke him out. Usually they'd wait too long to tap and they'd wake up being unable to remember their mother's name. Edited June 4, 2020 by Churaumi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites