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How would Akebano of done against Asashoryu and Hakuho

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in his prime? best out of 10 matches against either of him

 

could he get a majority of wins against them

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We'll never truly know, but he probably would have gone about

5-5 Against Asashoryu

3-7 Against Hakuho

Also are you Rufakiyama?

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Are you the same guy who's currently flooding r/sumo on Reddit with similarly inventive question threads?

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In my historical Elo strength ratings, Akebono peaked at 2377, Asashoryu at 2558, and Hakuho at 2679 points. If they had met in their prime, Akebono would have won 26% against Asashoryu and 15% against Hakuho.

 

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2 hours ago, Randomitsuki said:

In my historical Elo strength ratings, Akebono peaked at 2377, Asashoryu at 2558, and Hakuho at 2679 points. If they had met in their prime, Akebono would have won 26% against Asashoryu and 15% against Hakuho.

 

Now where could I find these elo strength ratings?

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34 minutes ago, PawnSums said:

Now where could I find these elo strength ratings?

On my computer... :-)

But I have put some of it into the analysis available at the following link (telling me that I might have gotten the numbers above  somewhat wrong).

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/34310-yokozuna-strength-opponent-strength-and-yokozuna-dominance/

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He beat prime Takanohana and his various stablemates and prime Musashimaru regularly. I think he would have done quite well.

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Just now, Asashosakari said:

Are you the same guy who's currently flooding r/sumo on Reddit with similarly inventive question threads?

no

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Questions like these are difficult but in most sports newer generations are better than previous generations. There's more knowledge about technique, training, diets, healthcare etc. 

That's why olympic and world records keep getting broken.

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Having watched all three....

Akebono would have lost most of the time to Hakuho, and more often than not to Asashoryu.

But that is just my opinion.  (Might be worth noting that *usually* people think that the performers in the past are better than the new crop.  Not for me in this case.)

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On 3/27/2017 at 02:49, Randomitsuki said:

On my computer... :-)

But I have put some of it into the analysis available at the following link (telling me that I might have gotten the numbers above  somewhat wrong).

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/34310-yokozuna-strength-opponent-strength-and-yokozuna-dominance/

Can you include Kisenosato now for comparison?

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Do you suppose the height and weight would be a problem for them (Asa especially)?

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I don't think it would have mattered much. They have the three sumo "ideal" traits (heart, body, and mind) in such quantities they would probably still beat Akebono if they all met in their primes. Akebono's size could be mitigated through technique.

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If we're performing necromancy on this thread, I demand that the title be changed to correct the spelling and grammar.   (Protesting...)

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3-7ish 'feels' about right to me in a series of 10 matches. I don't think anyone would blank Akebono at his best, but these two have enough technique and strength to exploit long tall 'Bono's weaknesses more often than not.

I also think that, while Hak is undoubtedly the most accomplished rikishi ever,  prime Asa was very close in quality to prime Hak.

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17 hours ago, Chanko Thief said:

Do you suppose the height and weight would be a problem for them (Asa especially)?

Asa was 4-5 against Musashimaru who was almost as tall as Akebono and more or less as heavy. Of course, he also fought the likes of Baruto regularly. Their H2H record? 9-0 to Asashoryu.

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3 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Asa was 4-5 against Musashimaru who was almost as tall as Akebono and more or less as heavy. Of course, he also fought the likes of Baruto regularly. Their H2H record? 9-0 to Asashoryu.

Fair enough, but Akebono is 4” taller than Musashimaru, and back when I used to box, 4 additional inches in height was never a fun thing to deal with (different sport of course). And yes you could use Baruto as a measuring stick to see how well Asa does against tall opponents but I am of the mind that Akebono was much more superior to Baruto in the skills department and would present some problems.

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52 minutes ago, Chanko Thief said:

And yes you could use Baruto as a measuring stick to see how well Asa does against tall opponents but I am of the mind that Akebono was much more superior to Baruto in the skills department and would present some problems.

Perhaps, but the question was just about how Asashoryu would cope with his size, not his skills, so I gave an example of a large rikishi that Asa had no trouble handling to show size wasn’t a concern for him (though I purposely chose an Ozeki because he also had skills).

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Enho would ashitori the shit out of those long legs, that's for sure.

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15 minutes ago, Benihana said:

Enho would ashitori the shit out of those long legs, that's for sure.

Check out the famous first meeting of  Mainoumi and Akebono.

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3 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Check out the famous first meeting of  Mainoumi and Akebono.

I know what happened :-D

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On 23/05/2020 at 01:01, Chanko Thief said:

Fair enough, but Akebono is 4” taller than Musashimaru, and back when I used to box, 4 additional inches in height was never a fun thing to deal with (different sport of course). And yes you could use Baruto as a measuring stick to see how well Asa does against tall opponents but I am of the mind that Akebono was much more superior to Baruto in the skills department and would present some problems.

I did some (weight class-less) MMA in my younger years, and I had the opposite feeling. Short guys could get better leverage and really crank down chokes and things. It felt so satisfying to get inside under a giant and choke him out. Usually they'd wait too long to tap and they'd wake up being unable to remember their mother's name.

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For ease of future searches can we correct the spelling / grammar errors in the title of this thread?

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