Basho Talk ** Haru Basho 2017 ** (SPOILERS)

[lackmaker 428]

The last few days should have made most of us think twice before definitively asserting anything about states of mind, injury consequences and other things that affect results on the dohyo.

And into what sort of tailspin will it send the experts in the other place?

[rhyen 1,799]

So nice, he gets to go home in a victory parade with a drizzling of rain.

just a typical Kisenosato sanyaku soraibumi

Edited March 26, 2017 by rhyen

[d_golem 213]

8 minutes ago, rhyen said:

So nice, he gets to go home in a victory parade with a drizzling of rain.

just a typical Kisenosato sanyaku soraibumi

What's going on here? Did Kise leave the formation early?

[ryafuji 806]

Remember those dim distant days (i.e. last year) when we used to think Kisenosato was a choker? 

[rhyen 1,799]

44 minutes ago, d_golem said:

What's going on here? Did Kise leave the formation early?

Yes, happens at every single sanyaku ceremony. Kisenosato is always the earliest to complete it.
Go check out the videos.

And we now find out why the NSK reserved that box seat for Kisenosato's parents.

Edited March 26, 2017 by rhyen

[orandashoho 720]

What a great champion Kisenosato is. He toughed it out and wrested the Cup out of Terunofuli's hands. (What, you thought it was a done deal? NOT!!) and showed everyone how a champion does it -- managing injury and pain and giving his all to defeat his opponent -- did you see the look on Terunofuji's face... what happened? What on earth happened?? Yeah Terunofuji, Kisenosato happened. The Kisenosato that is taking his rightful place he has fought so long to attain. Get used to it!

Oh boy, I am totally hyped up now actually going to BE THERE next basho

[PawnSums 59]

That couldn't possibly happen with Kisenosato's Condition.

[dcisneros 4]

Impressive comeback. Probably the 2nd biggest comeback in sports history.

[Morty 1,469]

4 minutes ago, dcisneros said:

Impressive comeback. Probably the 2nd biggest comeback in sports history.

Nice ;). interested in what the first is. 

[dcisneros 4]

Just now, Morty said:

Nice ;). interested in what the first is. 

March 8th. Barcelona 6 - Paris St Germain 1.

[Kotogouryuu 126]

I've been wondering what it would take for me to shed my doubts about Kisenosato. Beating Teru with one arm twice seems to have done it.

[WAKATAKE 2,613]

So some guy in Facebook posts is calling hairpull in the first match on Kise. Hard to tell from the NHK angle, although Teru's hair was a bit messy at the end.

[Benihana 1,900]

1 hour ago, WAKATAKE said:

So some guy in Facebook posts is calling hairpull in the first match on Kise. Hard to tell from the NHK angle, although Teru's hair was a bit messy at the end.

Sorry, but i had the same impression after having watched different videos. At least i looks like his fingers got entangled somehow, but that happens pretty often.

Spoiler

At 08:07

 

 

Edited March 26, 2017 by Benihana

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,244]

3 hours ago, Mihasan said:

Kakuryu went 10-5 btw...
 

Great start for his ozeki run!

[K. Sear 27]

55 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

So some guy in Facebook posts is calling hairpull in the first match on Kise. Hard to tell from the NHK angle, although Teru's hair was a bit messy at the end.

Terunofuji's hair was a sloppy mess from the very start of the match.  That isn't strong evidence.

[Philioyamfugi 378]

Best I can see kise's hand never closed..not that I really cared..lol..good pic on picture day 15 thread.

[rzombie1988 157]

Final standings:
13 wins
○○○○○○○○○○○○●●○ Y2w Kisenosato
○○○○○●○○○○○○○○● O1w Terunofuji

12 wins
○○○○○○○○○○●●●○○ S1w Takayasu

11 wins
○●●●○○●○○○○○○○○ M11e Daieisho
●○○○●●○○○●□○○○○ M13e Takakeisho

10 wins
○○○●○●○○○●○●●○○ Y1w Kakuryu
●○●○○○○○●○○○○●● Y2e Harumafuji
●○○●○○○●●○●○○○○ M8w Okinoumi
○○○○○○●○○○○●●●● M10w Tochiozan

Final thoughts:
- If you missed this tournament, you truly missed a wild ride of a masterpiece. We had upsets, he had people being douche's, we had people overperforming and we ended with one of the greatest comebacks of all time. Fantastic tournament and this was a total masterpiece. This is what keeps us sumo fans going and it didn't get more exciting than this.

- I will never be referring to Kisenosato as the Chokeozuna again. He silenced everyone today and overcame all hurdles. He had an amazing tournament and he is clearly the top dog right now.

- On the other hand, it has to suck to be Terunofuji right now. He got revenge porn'ed by losing via henka and had the tournament at his fingertips but just couldn't put it away. He had a really great tournament too, but at least he did get the playoff and if he can win the next tournament, he's very likely the next Yokozuna. Kise turned too well today and countered his reaches. Terunofuji has gotta continue on and stay healthy from here.

- Hakuho didn't look right from the start and it's clear he is no longer the peak god yokozuna. He should heal up and get at 100% because people are starting to doubt him.

- Harumafuji's style always puts him at odds for an extra loss and it wasn't enough here. He had some great showings this tournament, but he goes all in and either wins or loses.

- Never really been impressed with Kakuryu. He's better than he was in his Ozeki days but he always seems 1-2 wins short.

- Henka's have always been Kotoshogiku's nemesis and this was no different than this tournament. It's pretty safe to say that he will never be an Ozeki again unless he somehow pulls off another 13-14+ tournament and I'm doubtful of that. I don't think he should retire but this will be a tough pill for him to swallow.

- Goeido looked lost and confused this tournament. I think he got hurt last tournament and didn't quite recover. He's going to have to pull 8 wins together next tournament and it all depends on his health, but suffice to say, he's never been a very impressive Ozeki.

- Takayasu had a good run but he did collapse in the last few days. He needs 9-10 next time around and we should be seeing Ozeki Takayasu in July. He will have to work on his consistency as we know you need 13+ just to win right now. Nonetheless he should be quite proud and he did a good job.

- I didn't see a ton of Tamawashi this tournament but kudos to him for his second KK at Sekiwake.

- Ikioi was pretty much a disaster all tournament. Not one of his best showings.

Edited March 26, 2017 by rzombie1988

[lackmaker 428]

1 hour ago, dcisneros said:

Impressive comeback. Probably the 2nd biggest comeback in sports history.

If history only goes back to last Xmas.

[ALAKTORN 346]

That was insane.

I do think there was a hair pull in the first bout, though. Kise didn’t *grab* the chonmage, but his palm was on it and he was pulling down on it I think. I don’t know if that counts as hansoku or not… I think it does. Anyone know the precise ruling?

[Rocks 1,802]

15 minutes ago, ALAKTORN said:

That was insane.

I do think there was a hair pull in the first bout, though. Kise didn’t *grab* the chonmage, but his palm was on it and he was pulling down on it I think. I don’t know if that counts as hansoku or not… I think it does. Anyone know the precise ruling?

Yes, I thought watching it was too but marginal. But they don't call fouls in those kind of matches unless it's blatant, similar to Michael Jordan. Nobody wants that ending.

[Nekoyama 2]

I'm just blown away by the results, happy that karma came and kicked Terunofuji in the butt.  It was like Kisenosato saying, "I saw what you did there yesterday..." And then the matta in the playoff? Yeah, priceless. 

It was beautiful to see Kise crying during the song.  Good to see that he can think of something other than the kittens (not to say that kittens aren't cool).  

I wonder if Takayasu's the joker of his heya.

 

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,244]

I don't really understand why one henka is horrible but the other is very good.

[Arn 24]

8 minutes ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

I don't really understand why one henka is horrible but the other is very good.

Context.

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,244]

But its not an illegal motion no matter the context.

[Asojima 2,870]

1 hour ago, ALAKTORN said:

That was insane.

I do think there was a hair pull in the first bout, though. Kise didn’t *grab* the chonmage, but his palm was on it and he was pulling down on it I think. I don’t know if that counts as hansoku or not… I think it does. Anyone know the precise ruling?

A hand on the hair is perfectly legal.  It is illegal to grasp the hair.  Sometimes, the fingers will inadvertently get entwined in the mage, and this is usually judged to be a grasp. Generally, a hansoku is only called if the grabber would otherwise be judged the winner.  If there is only a minor pull, and it does not effect the outcome of the match, it is sometimes ignored.

Edited March 26, 2017 by Asojima